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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

12-19-2020 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SuitedJunk
How do they account for rake? I understand it is being refunded.... But if they are checking their balances to see what the +/- was, who is awarded the rake at the end of the session / challenge?

Isn't it like 2.50 rake per hand that sees a flop? So that is going to be like over 150K in rake taken out... So what if they get close (not gonna happen) but what if Daniel gets down to only a 75K loss, is it possible that rake if awarded appropriately to who won each pot etc could result in a win?
What's the math on 150k rake?
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12-19-2020 , 10:18 AM
At the end of the day, Dnegs will come out of this as a much better player. Might be a very expensive lesson, but will probably pay off over the near future.
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12-19-2020 , 10:44 AM
So Perkins solver was trash amirite
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12-19-2020 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagine
At the end of the day, Dnegs will come out of this as a much better player. Might be a very expensive lesson, but will probably pay off over the near future.
The closer he gets to breaking even vs Doug, the less action he will get in the future. He's ****ed either way lol.
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12-19-2020 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I know people think that Negreanu sounds like he's nuts, but I've generally been inclined to believe that he is doing this challenge because GGPoker wants him to do it and is covering enough of his losses for it to still be worth it to him. It would also explain why he seemed to be disinterested, IIRC, then changed his mind and embraced the challenge if GGPoker made an offer to back him in a way that made sense for him to accept the challenge.

Let's say that Daniel is generally a good gambler who tends to make more positive EV decisions than not. If he decides to play the full 25K, maybe he's lost his mind or is doing it for ego, but hidden backing from GG would also explain it. Given his previous support of PokerStars, we know he is willing to contort what he says in favor of whoever is paying him. If, like a White House press secretary, your job was to make a loser seems like less of a loser, can you come up with better PR than the stuff that Dnegs is spouting in defense of himself?
I have changed my mind on this challenge.
I think this might be +EV for both players if we look at all aspects.

From Dougs point of view he is clearly the better player and much more advanced in his HU thinking and approach.
Also it gives his business of Upswing a big boost by being in the limelight.

From Dnegs point of view it keeps his branding in the public window and gives GG poker a mainstream boost.
Dnegs is a genius in marketing his persona.
(has anyone earned more from Poker Sponsorships than Dnegs?)
He has positioned himself in this challenge as the underdog yet emphasizes how unlucky he has been, which plays well with his fan base and casual poker fans who love bad beat stories!
He has the nice mix of tilt which makes people either love him or hate him.
(being polarizing is better than being boring)

The fact that its well known that Doug and Dnegs text a bit behind the scenes makes me think there is a bit of ProWrestling going on here.
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12-19-2020 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SuitedJunk

Isn't it like 2.50 rake per hand that sees a flop? So that is going to be like over 150K in rake taken out...
Well that's just bad math
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12-19-2020 , 01:52 PM
2.5*25000=62500
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12-19-2020 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SuitedJunk
How do they account for rake? I understand it is being refunded.... But if they are checking their balances to see what the +/- was, who is awarded the rake at the end of the session / challenge?

Isn't it like 2.50 rake per hand that sees a flop? So that is going to be like over 150K in rake taken out... So what if they get close (not gonna happen) but what if Daniel gets down to only a 75K loss, is it possible that rake if awarded appropriately to who won each pot etc could result in a win?
If I understood what they have said on this subject correctly, they are splitting the rake evenly. If that's correct, rake refunds won't effect the results, as both accounts will receive the same amounts. Also, I think it's refunded at the end of each month.
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12-19-2020 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Vagine
At the end of the day, Dnegs will come out of this as a much better player. Might be a very expensive lesson, but will probably pay off over the near future.
I am not too convinced about that, he doesn't seem to be the sort of person to admit he is wrong, so he won't learn lessons from his mistakes as he doesn't think he makes mistakes. His wanting to carry on this challenge past 25,000 shows this failure to recognise his limitations against a better player. It is like a boxer repeatedly getting beaten and asking time and time again for a rematch, with the same outcome. Sometimes in life one has to admit someone else is better than one.
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12-20-2020 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
I am not too convinced about that, he doesn't seem to be the sort of person to admit he is wrong, so he won't learn lessons from his mistakes as he doesn't think he makes mistakes.
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12-20-2020 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vagine
At the end of the day, Dnegs will come out of this as a much better player. Might be a very expensive lesson, but will probably pay off over the near future.
Only if he plans to become a HUNL specialist. Chances of that are...?
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12-20-2020 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by wolli2013
2.5*25000=62500
Think they are seeing flops about 50% of the time, so rake will be in the range $31k-$33k
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12-20-2020 , 07:52 PM
Oh, good point!
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12-20-2020 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW
This guy wanted to quit the pokers, but now he will be the third most well known online poker player, after Tom Dwan and Phil Galfond.

(and Isildur I suppose)

He'll be asked for Teevee all the time.

Dnegs made him famous, while shipping him a shitload of $$$.
You think this may have been a set up from the start? The two of them vs.the world?
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12-20-2020 , 08:32 PM
Are they paying full rake for the challenge or did they negotiate a rake deal with WSOP.com?

Paying up to $62.5k seems excessive and with all the publicity it's generating for WSOP.com and poker in general it seems like they would've had leverage to get a rake reduction.
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12-20-2020 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Are they paying full rake for the challenge or did they negotiate a rake deal with WSOP.com?

Paying up to $62.5k seems excessive and with all the publicity it's generating for WSOP.com and poker in general it seems like they would've had leverage to get a rake reduction.
They get all their rake back at the end.
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12-21-2020 , 12:39 AM
Every second post ITT:

WOW THEY MUST BE PAYING SO MUCH RAKE

Daniel would be proud
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12-21-2020 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by inmyrav
You think this may have been a set up from the start? The two of them vs.the world?
Nah Doug just saw saw an opportunity to make some easy money and hes too smart to not capitalize. What is dnegs getting out of this except an ass whoopin?
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12-21-2020 , 02:23 AM
Daniel confirmed on twitter, they are playing Tomorrow(Monday) 2:30pm PST like normal.
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12-21-2020 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondsOnMyNeck
Nah Doug just saw saw an opportunity to make some easy money and hes too smart to not capitalize. What is dnegs getting out of this except an ass whoopin?
A challenge to get better. He's certainly improved.
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12-21-2020 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder
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Solid use of your time when you're getting smashed in a challenge and aren't even half way through yet.
Daniel seems to be years behind the rest of us.
Four years late in finding political twitter trolling and years late in finding GTO and tweeting about it.

Will be funny when he finds out Doug was once the top hu player in the world!
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12-21-2020 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tubi
Daniel seems to be years behind the rest of us......
Says the guy using 2p2
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12-21-2020 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
A challenge to get better. He's certainly improved.
There's a million cheaper and more effective ways for him to improve his game. Clearly he didn't take on the challenge to improve.
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12-21-2020 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tubi
Daniel seems to be years behind the rest of us.
Four years late in finding political twitter trolling and years late in finding GTO and tweeting about it.

Will be funny when he finds out Doug was once the top hu player in the world!
😂
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12-21-2020 , 02:32 PM
I've looked around haven't been able to find anything on this.

Does anyone know if Daniel has said if he has any side action on this match? If so, how much and at what odds? (Besides "about three fiddy" ) I'm aware BP offered him 10:1 to finish the match (to protect his bet with DP), but I was curious about action placed by Daniel to win the match.

It seems strange if he doesn't since he admits he's an underdog--playing for even money but not taking advantage of getting odds?
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