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01-23-2021 , 07:57 PM

#7726

Keruli

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 880

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Originally Posted by garbagetime

Listen to how Doug talks. He hates poker with a passion. His heart isn't in the game. Not even a slither. Doug's just playing his imperfect-recollection of his approximation of GTO and is only going through the motions of exploiting his opponent. Arguing about his poker talent (or lack thereof) is actually almost irrelevant - even if he was a particularly talented poker player, the way he's playing he's not making any use of any talent he might have.

DNegs is the opposite - he's totally locked into the game, he's using his undeniably immense poker talent, and as he gets closer and closer to being up-to-date on contemporary heads-up NLHE theory he definitely will gain an edge over Doug. The only thing in question is whether he has already passed that point.

i feel like this may not be a troll.
it's amazing how people (e.g. you) can believe that applying solver strategy is independent of poker talent/ability, and that catching up to solver masters is simply a matter of being *up-to-date on contemporary heads-up NLHE theory* - what does that even mean? solvers don't even actually give you theory, and if there were a contemporary theory, being familiar with it doesn't give you ability to apply it...

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01-23-2021 , 08:27 PM

#7727

inmyrav

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,721

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Originally Posted by madlex

Again, no.

In your example, just move forward one toss. At that point it’s either +19 or +21. If what you said was true that would mean to get to “heads will equal tails plus twenty” over the next infinite-1 tosses, heads or tails must win one more than the other, based on what happened with the last toss. Does that sound right to you?

I'm not basing future performance on past performance which is the gambler's fallacy. YOu're saying the gamblers fallacy is a prediction about the future that is false (that 20 silver dollars will be won back in the future if you keep on flipping to infinity). I'm saying the prediction about the future is true. I'm saying that not because of past performance, but because you can ALWAYS say it is true that, given infinite flips, x will outflip y at some point by z (z is a real number) flips.

Cause if you're saying that's wrong, then I dont understand infinity.

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01-23-2021 , 08:34 PM

#7728

BDHarrison

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 4,532

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Originally Posted by MeleaB

Very few Hollywood movies have the deranged, self-obsessed, egotistical, narcissistical, weasel-like, bad guy winning.

Very few Hollywood movies are about a strong favorite steamrolling lesser competition. Plenty of Hollywood movies whitewash unsavory aspects of their subject.

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01-23-2021 , 08:34 PM

#7729

parisron

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,822

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01-23-2021 , 09:43 PM

#7730

inmyrav

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,721

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Originally Posted by deuceblocker

So you should play this same way HU against DP as in a 1/2 game at a greyhound track? Do they run that many big bluff in the 1/2 game?

Never bluff at the 1/2 game, they always call you. That's why you think about folding for a second or two before calling. That way you look thoughtful.

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01-23-2021 , 10:02 PM

#7731

Wilbury Twist

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6,410

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

He has said in every one of his podcasts for the last six weeks that Doug is a better player at HU NLH online. DN believes, however, that he would beat DP live because he can read live tells better than DP can.

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Originally Posted by SandraXII

Seems like when the discussion comes back to live play there is always someone still talking about ‘live tells’ making DN a favourite lol.

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Originally Posted by golfbum983

Well it does, so I don’t get what’s funny about it..... are you saying there is no such thing of live tells?

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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich

You're skeptical of live tells? I consider myself an expert.

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Originally Posted by persianpunisher

Doug is such a tell box. Dnegs gonna crush him live. so many live reads. will make up for lack of strat for sure. 10/10. genius. doug no chance live. Covfefe.

This is why I asked the question above... how certain is it that Doug Polk has live tells, and if he does, how significant are they?

I don't doubt they exist, but it seems to me that they tend to be exhibited by recs and tourists, not by other professional players. Obviously, I'm open to be convinced otherwise – this is all a relatively uneducated guess on my part.

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01-23-2021 , 10:35 PM

#7732

InItForGlory

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 95

Of course I miss the bloodiest session of all...$400k, love him or hate him he won't go away!

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01-24-2021 , 03:50 AM

#7733

SizzlerFTW

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,368

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison

Very few Hollywood movies are about a strong favorite steamrolling lesser competition. Plenty of Hollywood movies whitewash unsavory aspects of their subject.

Unfortunately that doesn't apply to poker. In poker, people always want the best to win.

i.e. Ivey for the main event, Dwan in High Stakes Poker...

Justice in poker means: the best doesn't get unlucky by some donk.

Also notice how every poker movie at the end has the best player not get unlucky by some donk.

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01-24-2021 , 03:57 AM

#7734

SandraXII

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,114

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Originally Posted by NJPW

unlikely because in that same film Mike says
though I'm not sure that last one is relevant these days

It probably is for the ‘tellbox narrative’

Seriously I’d love them to play as many hands live so someone can come in and explain how Daniel predicting an Alaskan trucker was bluffing in 2007 because a flush missed is relevant today

I would be open to listening to what he does exactly live that’s going to give him all this magical edge against Doug, but this info is yet to be forthcoming and I remain a little sceptical let’s say.

Last edited by SandraXII; 01-24-2021 at 04:06 AM.

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01-24-2021 , 04:35 AM

#7735

pokerashich

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 167

I'm not a maths person so I'll keep it simple - in the last 13k hands Doug is up less than a buy in (~26k).

Daniel leads the second half of the challenge by 150k.

Last edited by pokerashich; 01-24-2021 at 04:42 AM.

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01-24-2021 , 04:45 AM

#7736

BDHarrison

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 4,532

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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW

Clearly, the WSOP main event would suck if some amateur beat a pro.

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01-24-2021 , 05:34 AM

#7737

HellothisDog

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 33

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Originally Posted by pokerashich

I'm not a maths person

yes we can see that

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01-24-2021 , 07:49 AM

#7738

Genetikfreak

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,306

Hello, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!! you dont just play it to play it.....

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01-24-2021 , 07:58 AM

#7739

SimpleRick

banned

Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 4,660

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

haha it's easy to be generous and humble when you beat someone down for 10 buyins.

When Polk was up 25 buyins in the challenge he thought it would be cool to go on a rant about DNegs complaining about luck. Wasn't easy for him to be generous and humble. Somehow, and this is a hard thing to do, DNegs the guy who said more rake is better, the guy who said he was going to fight for SNEs and didn't, the guy who took a pic of his dick poolside, the guy who nobody but casuals and clueless like is somehow more likable than Dog Pork.

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Originally Posted by Genetikfreak

Hello, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!! you dont just play it to play it.....

Hello?!

LFG Daniel!!!

Last edited by SimpleRick; 01-24-2021 at 08:09 AM. Reason: than not then you idiot!

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01-24-2021 , 08:20 AM

#7740

Fat_Vicious

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 313

live tell meme never gets old

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01-24-2021 , 09:21 AM

#7741

SizzlerFTW

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,368

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison

Clearly, the WSOP main event would suck if some amateur beat a pro.

It was very dissapointing indeed to see the much loathed Jamie Gold or Jerry Yang win.

Moneymaker-effect was different era, before loads of entitlement felt by everyone and his or her neighbor.

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01-24-2021 , 10:05 AM

#7742

Itachi1234

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 514

doug talks indeed a lot for someone whos only up so little lol and in ev under 10 buyins, quite shameful display imo

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01-24-2021 , 10:23 AM

#7743

lonely_but_rich

ɔarpal \ʇunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 23,431

Wtf is happening right now?

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01-24-2021 , 10:35 AM

#7744

Dick Tracy

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,796

Maybe it's just me, but I wanna see Daniel do the c*ckf*ck & fat sausage grumbling on a televised game so bad.

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01-24-2021 , 10:43 AM

#7745

chinagambler

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,572

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01-24-2021 , 10:44 AM

#7746

wishiewish

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11,219

Daniel really thinks his wife is hot or he is levelling?

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01-24-2021 , 10:54 AM

#7747

dingdongdonkey

banned

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 1,061

Imagine being 50 and sending out tweets like that.

Last edited by dingdongdonkey; 01-24-2021 at 11:11 AM.

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01-24-2021 , 11:07 AM

#7748

snowie963

banned

Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,484

If you look back a few days Ryan had tweeted about Doug's 300k win and how he will win 2m by the end of the challenge, Daniel didn't say anything until 3 days later after his 400k win and says "fifi quiet today". Daniel is just trying to stir things up here. His wife would be considered too good for him, I don't think hot is the word though.