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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

01-15-2021 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cetacean
Streamers use this construction a lot to bring the audience into the game. They want the feel that it’s not the streamer that’s playing alone (so not “I’m going to raise”), it’s the streamer who is representing the team of the streamer and chat - so it’s “we’re going to raise”
This.

Its a social psychology trick to get people with few friends who feel like they are part of a streamer's "community" to feel more involved. Like all psychology tricks (used in advertisement, games like FIFA Ultimate team etc etc) it only works on people with double digit IQ but thats half of the population and 90+ % of consumers who are likely to buy products like courses or other merch from their favorite streamer.

Last edited by Kebabkungen; 01-15-2021 at 11:58 AM.
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01-15-2021 , 11:58 AM
did someone already bet on this on both sides with suberp odds?

easy money
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01-15-2021 , 01:57 PM
What's up guys, TRUSTtheDRAWCESS here, we're back with another episode of HU showdown hands, the show where we post and analyze comments in the 2p2 thread about the Doug Polk/Daniel Negreanu HU match.

Today we're analyzing the recent session between Doug and Daniel where Doug won back almost 3 buyins in the middle of Daniel's run good.

So in this spot, I think all options can be good here. We're definitely going to mix here, I think something like:

- 70% 'Doug is still crushing him, Daniel has just been on a heater' comments
- 20% 'Daniel has just been running bad until now, we still don't know who is really winning' comments
- 10% 'Daniel is crushing Doug, variance has just been on Doug's side until now' comments

So overall, this is a pretty interesting spot, and we definitely want to have some of every comment, I don't think you need to worry about the exact frequencies, you just want to ensure your commenting range isn't too weak and unbalanced.

That is all for this episode of HU showdown hands!
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01-15-2021 , 02:20 PM
Doug is still crushing him, Daniel has just been on a heater!
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01-15-2021 , 02:49 PM
Doug is still crushing him, Daniel has just been on a heater!
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01-15-2021 , 03:33 PM
Doug is still crushing him, Daniel has just been on a heater!
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01-15-2021 , 03:33 PM
Daniel has just been running bad until now, we still don't know who is really winning
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01-15-2021 , 03:56 PM
doug is
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01-15-2021 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Slugant
doug is
Good for him, to beat an old man who just learned how to play a few months ago.

Bravo
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01-15-2021 , 04:52 PM
Kudos to Negreanu. I'd rate his losses so far as basically breaking even. That's way better than I expected. Polk will obviously be happy to take the odd $500,000 plus money from bets, but the actual profit on the tables is nothing to write home about.
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01-15-2021 , 05:04 PM
It seems that Negranu is obsessed with the narrative that he's running bad and that is the main reason he is losing.

I never watch his post-match interviews (except for the one where he went off the rails for the lolz), but decided to watch the one from the last one, episode 27?, and was shocked to see him still pushing this narrative:

"How does this guy always make a flush"
"I never hit, this guy always hits"
"My biggest suck-out I still had 42% equity!"


Isn't the entire point of playing 25,000 hands to fairly randomize the situations you both will be in to where there is no root advantage where one player is getting a statistically significant amount of coolers or suck-outs?

Didn't realize "the narrative" would become such a part of the challenge for him; I wonder if he'll try to extend the challenge if/when he loses after the initial 25,000 hands.
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01-15-2021 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
McGwire the cheater? Maybe use another person
Haha nice.

For what it's worth, McGwire was using andro, a performance-enhancer that was legal at the time then later banned. Polk wanted to use heads-up charts, a performance-enhancer that is otherwise legal, but banned for this challenge (by Negreanu).

Also, like Polk, McGwire preferred going sleeveless:
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01-15-2021 , 05:49 PM
I dont think dn has a great idea of what positive/negative variance looks like outside of who has more std coolers go their way, although short term that is a lot of the variance.

he was complaining one day that he only wins big pots when doug bluffs smt off, he forgot that he had the nuts in a spot where doug shoved 3-4x pot deep with a nut blocker, that hand is a form of running v hot

Last edited by HellothisDog; 01-15-2021 at 05:57 PM.
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01-15-2021 , 06:02 PM
Doug had Q9 on 8JT vs. DNegs AQ that x/c'ed twice in a 3bp that spiked a K otr to stack him somewhat deep. DNegs 3b 89, Doug calls 46 flop's 235ccc and DNegs bets, barrels 7x turn, and river's a 6x and DNegs stacks Doug. It's not as if DNegs hasn't had his luck. He just has the typical fish mindset that can't let go of the times he gets unlucky.
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01-15-2021 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Good for him, to beat an old man who just learned how to play a few months ago.

Bravo
how dare he to play a fish at online pokers.. obviously only respect him if he goes hu4rollz vs berri
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01-15-2021 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SocraticGambler
It seems that Negranu is obsessed with the narrative that he's running bad and that is the main reason he is losing.

I never watch his post-match interviews (except for the one where he went off the rails for the lolz), but decided to watch the one from the last one, episode 27?, and was shocked to see him still pushing this narrative:

"How does this guy always make a flush"
"I never hit, this guy always hits"
"My biggest suck-out I still had 42% equity!"


Isn't the entire point of playing 25,000 hands to fairly randomize the situations you both will be in to where there is no root advantage where one player is getting a statistically significant amount of coolers or suck-outs?

Didn't realize "the narrative" would become such a part of the challenge for him; I wonder if he'll try to extend the challenge if/when he loses after the initial 25,000 hands.
You can see the GG commentators just cringe smile whenever DN mentions his run bad
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01-15-2021 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
Solvers didn't make backgammon boring, people still play.
Solvers didn't make chess boring, people still play.
Solvers won't make poker boring, and people will still play.
Classical chess is dead, due to solvers.
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01-15-2021 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by inmyrav
Classical chess is dead, due to solvers.
So what? Games evolve when new information and strategies get discovered. And if the new game style is still interesting, fulfilling and competitive, then who cares if the old style died?
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01-15-2021 , 09:03 PM
Doug 5 bet shoves A4 with Daniel only about 110 bb deep. Is that not a pretty bad shove? How often is Dnegs folding there? Seems like almost never and A4 has to be in terrible shape against Daniel's 4 bet range. Daniel stacked him with 99 fwiw.

Is Daniel 4 betting way lighter than I think?
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01-15-2021 , 09:31 PM
A4s is going to make it into almost any vs 4b range some of the time
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01-15-2021 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by inmyrav
Classical chess is dead, due to solvers.
Not OTB though
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01-15-2021 , 10:39 PM
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01-15-2021 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Haha nice.

For what it's worth, McGwire was using andro, a performance-enhancer that was legal at the time then later banned. Polk wanted to use heads-up charts, a performance-enhancer that is otherwise legal, but banned for this challenge (by Negreanu).

Also, like Polk, McGwire preferred going sleeveless:
Uh sorry to mess with a joke but No is the answer.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=4816607
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01-15-2021 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Haha nice.

For what it's worth, McGwire was using andro, a performance-enhancer that was legal at the time then later banned. Polk wanted to use heads-up charts, a performance-enhancer that is otherwise legal, but banned for this challenge (by Negreanu).

Also, like Polk, McGwire preferred going sleeveless:

They both agreed that preflop charts are allowed for the challenge.
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01-16-2021 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Daniel has just been running bad until now, we still don't know who is really winning
<3 this is so good
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