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11-17-2020 , 06:24 PM

#3951

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11-17-2020 , 06:26 PM

#3952

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by SleepingOnTheBeach

There have been many worse plays made than the Dnegs 97 hand and he's never folding the 9 river. He just thought DP is bluffing and is giving up river and he's got minor suckout equity just in case DP check gives up if DN rivers a 7, 9 or straight, simples.

One of the key things no one has mentioned which is important is that on the very same table just a couple of minutes before DP pot bet the turn in the exact same spot on a very similair board run out and DN folded. This is an extremely rare situation you don't see happen twice in quick succession often in holdem. This played a big part in DN's noob decision to call the turn 2nd time round which DP was extremely aware of and is never bluffing that spot with the same sizing in such a short space of time against DN. It was the most obv value town ever the 2nd turn pot I would of bet my house on it while watching live. I don't have a house.

Surely fake news, for the same reason Dnegs will be as loose as 79, doug is not going to all of a sudden not have profitable bluffs/never bluff... Doesn't compute. That's without even going into the fact doug more so than most prob standardizes and sticks to it without great evidence of the contrary being for sure best.

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11-17-2020 , 06:35 PM

#3953

Xenoblade

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Oh well I hope we see more of this stuff in the future, poker has felt so grim lately, this challenge is a breath of fresh air

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11-17-2020 , 06:55 PM

#3954

SizzlerFTW

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Good old Perkins stirring up ****

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11-17-2020 , 07:00 PM

#3955

freedom 35

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Perkins just starts spelling words Shaun Deeb style on twitter as soon as he gets called out. Can't even understand half of it.

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11-17-2020 , 07:01 PM

#3956

theskillzdatklls

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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW

Good old Perkins stirring up ****

From what I can tell, it's just that. No stuff is allowed during the game, but between sessions... I mean it's all online and viewable. It would be outrageous to claim that that can't be looked at or analyzed.

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11-17-2020 , 07:08 PM

#3957

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11-17-2020 , 07:11 PM

#3958

golfbum983

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When Negraneu said he wanted no dl hh I’m pretty sure he thought it meant neither of them would go back through the hh statistically(like Doug said counting bb folded)

However it’s kind of impossible to know so how can you even make the rule

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11-17-2020 , 07:19 PM

#3959

kolotoure2.0

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Having a rule that is unenforacable and nobody will ever know if either player is violating it seems like a terrible idea

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11-17-2020 , 07:21 PM

#3960

TreadLightly

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11-17-2020 , 07:23 PM

#3961

NewAcctIsBest

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Originally Posted by golfbum983

if the rule is no hand histories and youre looking at hand histories, youre breaking the rule

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Originally Posted by kolotoure2.0

Having a rule that is unenforacable and nobody will ever know if either player is violating it seems like a terrible idea

If one player admits to breaking the rule then you can penalize them

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11-17-2020 , 07:25 PM

#3962

freedom 35

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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest

if the rule is no hand histories and youre looking at hand histories, youre breaking the rule

If one player admits to breaking the rule then you can penalize them

Lol what? Should they close their eyes when they are watching the stream back too?

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11-17-2020 , 07:26 PM

#3963

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just LOL at objecting to the hand replayer

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11-17-2020 , 07:27 PM

#3964

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are they allowed to plug hands into piosolver, assuming they remember the HHs by heart?

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11-17-2020 , 07:30 PM

#3965

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

are they allowed to plug hands into piosolver, assuming they remember the HHs by heart?

This would require memorizing hands and replaying them in your mind. Recounting a history of the hand, if you will. A clear rule violation.

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11-17-2020 , 07:31 PM

#3966

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11-17-2020 , 07:32 PM

#3967

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11-17-2020 , 07:35 PM

#3968

fish & chips

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This **** is hilarious.

So Dnegs team has been collecting hands and putting them into the app that grades your play based on GTO. But Polk can't look at the ****in replayer?

If lookin at the replayer is in doubt, this app grading Dnegs play must be against whatever rules they have...

Hope Perkins costs Dneg a penalty...

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11-17-2020 , 07:37 PM

#3969

dhubermex

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NEW: Bill Perkins says "poker heroes" delay heads-up match.

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11-17-2020 , 07:48 PM

#3970

NewAcctIsBest

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Originally Posted by freedom 35

Lol what? Should they close their eyes when they are watching the stream back too?

is watching the stream against the rules? no

is using a hand history against the rules? I am not sure but it sounds like it! what does a hand history replayer use? a hand history

what does a stream use? a recorded video segment

am I missing something?

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11-17-2020 , 07:49 PM

#3971

Xenoblade

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

This would require memorizing hands and replaying them in your mind. Recounting a history of the hand, if you will. A clear rule violation.

hahahaha

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11-17-2020 , 07:53 PM

#3972

Xenoblade

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I'm not sure I remember the rules correctly but what I thought was Doug wasn't allowed to use the hands in a tracker to find out how far dnegs played from equilibrium in some spot stats wise so he could exploit that more easily

Feels like plugging hands in the solver after session to see if he made mistakes theoretically wise should be fine?

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11-17-2020 , 07:56 PM

#3973

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

sure if you remember the hands on your own or watch the stream and write them down, but I feel like using a HH replayer is not allowed

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11-17-2020 , 07:57 PM

#3974

Xenoblade

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what's the difference between HH replayer and watching the stream?

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11-17-2020 , 07:58 PM

#3975

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

what's the difference between HH replayer and watching the stream?

one uses a HH, one requires you to make a hand history yourself, or you can take notes

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