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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

04-09-2020 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
How come in Sweden, they're basically getting on with their lives, apart from with the odd restriction (eg. banning crowds of more than 50)? Yet other countries are in complete lockdown.
Because they're taking a different approach; the "herd immunity" theory the UK started with and abandoned.

As numbers start to climb, there's more concern it may not work out well:

https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/

Hopefully that's not the case, but time will tell.
04-09-2020 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
How come in Sweden, they're basically getting on with their lives, apart from with the odd restriction (eg. banning crowds of more than 50)? Yet other countries are in complete lockdown.
Sweden practiced eugenics, so I wouldn't trust their social practices all that much. Maybe they think they've rooted out all the weak ppl, and the remaining "superior race" can fight this without intervention.
04-09-2020 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Same reason why some flu seasons hit some countries and states much harder than others.
5g towers?
04-09-2020 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Actually I've enjoyed both electronic poker tables and those electronic craps machines that have those big dice in a plastic bubble. I don't like to see people lose their jobs but times and conditions change. Hell I just just used one of those scan your own groceries for the first time this week and liked not having to wait in line or having people sneeze on me...
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Some of the advantages of the electronic live ring poker tables that can seat up to 9 people are:

No handling of cards or chips.
No bent or marked cards.
Always know the exact chip count of all your opponents.
The games move faster.
don't have to worry about dealer's mistakes.
no betting out of turn.
no tipping.
more tells can be observed than on internet poker

Yes, there will always be people who prefer a live dealer but there is no law that says you can't have both live dealer tables and digital tables, or have both live dealer tournaments and digital table tournaments at the same event.

And with this Coronavirus thing increased digital casino games might become a necessity to keep casino gambling viable.
As long as the deck isn’t dealt by a computer algorithm, it doesn’t really matter to me what the process for making bets is. But I still enjoy counting/stacking/riffling real chips. Not having that would take quite a bit of getting used to. Don’t think I would ever come to prefer it.
04-09-2020 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jackpotslayer
hello guys, i have spoken to one fo the owners of a casino here in Los Angeles and he disclosed to me that they are planning to open first week of May, they are considering not allowing people who are 60 years old and above until this virus is totally gone, they are also considering limited hours, what do you think about this?
Can't you get sued for refusing business on the basis of age?
04-09-2020 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
As long as the deck isn’t dealt by a computer algorithm,
way of virus topic..... but you do realize that shuffle machines have an RNG (uh algorithm ) as part of shuffling process?

You probably refuse to play at tables with a shuffler?
04-09-2020 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Because they're taking a different approach; the "herd immunity" theory the UK started with and abandoned.

As numbers start to climb, there's more concern it may not work out well:

https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/

Hopefully that's not the case, but time will tell.
If you are going for herd immunity, shouldn’t you -want- the numbers to climb?

I can see the argument for herd immunity, especially considering the most recent scientific studies suggesting the virus is both more contagious and less lethal than originally thought. But you at leas need to protect/restrict the most vulnerable members of the population, and be prepared to implement harsher measures in places where the healthcare system might get overwhelmed.
04-09-2020 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
If you are going for herd immunity, shouldn’t you -want- the numbers to climb?
Cases, yes. Fatalities, no. Too many cases all at once could be a problem as well, which is the whole reason for the "flattening the curve" efforts.
04-09-2020 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
How come in Sweden, they're basically getting on with their lives, apart from with the odd restriction (eg. banning crowds of more than 50)? Yet other countries are in complete lockdown.

The Swedish government is carrying on the policy of business as usual, and ignoring the views of those who disagree. It is a massive gamble to go the opposite way of the other countries, and as this is a mathematical issue, one knows infection rates double more rapidly in places where people move freely it is impossible to understand the rationality behind the Swedish obstinacy.

I find South Africa a really interesting country to watch. They are three weeks behind the worst affected countries, so they have been able to learn lessons from the badly affected countries, and imposed a lockdown at a very early stage. As a result their numbers are remarkably low.

So one has a choice, the liberal Swedish "let the people do what they want" approach, until it has spread so widely it is out of control, which is now happening there, or the carefully controlled South African approach. I know which I prefer.

Already one can see the US and the UK recognised the dangers and imposed restrictions too late.

As lockdown is so damaging economically, the governments will eventually decide to let the younger, less at risk, move more freely, and only lockdown the elderly and with underlying health conditions.
04-10-2020 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
How come in Sweden, they're basically getting on with their lives, apart from with the odd restriction (eg. banning crowds of more than 50)? Yet other countries are in complete lockdown.
Interesting, right?

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Originally Posted by NowWeGo
5g towers?
More people should ponder this.
04-10-2020 , 08:07 AM
According to MSN/Business Insider: Sweden's foreign minister described Sweden's approach on Wednesday as "No lockdown and we rely very much on people taking responsibility themselves,"
They still expect thousands of people to die.
04-10-2020 , 12:42 PM
So what are the current odds on the WSOP happening as scheduled?
04-10-2020 , 12:47 PM
No way it happens 100% as scheduled. Could it have a modified live schedule and pushed back a bit, yes its possible.
And more events added online is highly likely.
04-10-2020 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by inmyrav
Can't you get sued for refusing business on the basis of age?
not if we are suspending the constitution.
04-10-2020 , 01:44 PM
Sweden's official approach to leave it up to the individual is so out of step with the rest of the world that it merits looking at closely. Here are their figures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...emic_in_Sweden

What is interesting is the daily increases are comparatively low. Experts are commenting how black communities are at proportionately higher risk, maybe Sweden being a predominantly white country explains the comparative lower infection rates?
04-10-2020 , 03:12 PM
You think black people are dying more in the states because of genetics? Fml you would fit in great there

Forced sterilizations in sweden for racial purification

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...261.html%3famp
04-10-2020 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
way of virus topic..... but you do realize that shuffle machines have an RNG (uh algorithm ) as part of shuffling process?

You probably refuse to play at tables with a shuffler?
I do know about how shuffle machines work. Shuffle machines don't know how many players there are at the table. This is why I do not believe it is possible for shuffle machines to be used to cheat (at least I can't think of a way they can).

On the other hand, digital tables know everything about what is going on at the table, including how many players there are and which players are in which positions. And I'm certain nefarious folks could direct specific cards to specific players by hacking the table. Not very different from online poker... but like I said, I don't play that.

An lastly, stealing physical chip can and does happen. But venues have procedures in place to try to mitigate that by having dealers watch the table during breaks. Who is watching your digital table and all those chip counts? Same single thing that controls everything else. Its just rife for exploitation.

Last edited by akashenk; 04-10-2020 at 04:12 PM.
04-10-2020 , 03:56 PM
With regard to the topic of "which approach is better... social distancing or herd immunity"... the problem in this case is the virus unleashed itself on large populations before anyone knew much about it, and before we could do large scale testing on it. We still don't completely know enough to say... these folks over here are safe and the rest of you better isolate. Should the virus return next fall, I think we WILL know quite a bit more and at that time, assuming there are no vaccines or treatments, it would make sense to do more selective isolation. Any country which is just starting to see the effects of the virus may have more leeway to isolate selectively. But IMO, they are taking quite a risk. We know how deadly this virus can be if you happen to be the wrong person and we know how easily it spreads in populations which are not isolated and have no inherent antibody build-up.
04-10-2020 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Sweden's official approach to leave it up to the individual is so out of step with the rest of the world that it merits looking at closely. Here are their figures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...emic_in_Sweden

What is interesting is the daily increases are comparatively low. Experts are commenting how black communities are at proportionately higher risk, maybe Sweden being a predominantly white country explains the comparative lower infection rates?
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that race plays a role in infection and/or transmission rates. It only plays a role in outcomes.

In any case, Sweden's CFR at this point is nearly 9% which is among the highest we have seen. Their infection rate, if we are to trust confirmed numbers, is not high, but that doesn't really mean much since that could be a function of testing.

If I were in Sweden I would be very leery of what is going on right now and could go on in the near future.
04-10-2020 , 04:56 PM
Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft wants workers back Monday.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...886797343.html
04-10-2020 , 05:12 PM
Looking at the numbers, I wonder if geographic size is going to make things play out a little differently in North America. Given the modelling that's been put out, and everything I've read about what different states are doing (or not doing), I was pleasantly surprised when after the US hit 35 K new cases one day last week, they're yet to have a day with more.

With the US having so many large cities spread over a huge country, perhaps instead of numbers rising quickly, they'll see a plateau that lasts longer than other countries, as the peak hits in different regions at different times. Canada has a lot less major cities, so that effect may not happen here as much or at all, despite being a larger country.
04-10-2020 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
despite being a slightly larger country.
F(part of)YP
04-10-2020 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
On the other hand, digital tables know everything about what is going on at the table, including how many players there are and which players are in which positions. And I'm certain nefarious folks could direct specific cards to specific players by hacking the table.
is OT but I could use a break for the corona.

OK, my bad, you do know how shufflers work. But now he tproblem is you dont know how regulatory works for testing and certifying electronic equipment in licensed jurisdictions.

The number of people that would have to be involved to make happen what you fear is around a dozen and from three separate companies.. It would involve a complicated conspiracy of people from GLI ( not gonna happen), a licensed mfg (not gonna happen. will risk their license) and Operator (not gonna happen. will risk license)

And if this grand conspiracy ever did somehow come together (it won't) ... the ABSOLUTE LAST piece of equipment on the floor they would hack is an electronic poker table.
04-10-2020 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that race plays a role in infection and/or transmission rates. It only plays a role in outcomes.
It's probably not race that causes the phenomenon (i.e. it's not genetics as such), but there's clearly a correlation between ethnicity and infection rates, as well as fatality rates.
Blacks and other ethnic minorities tend to be over-represented in groups of low-paid "frontline workers", be they bus drivers or healthcare workers. Richer white people are generally more able to isolate themselves, by working for home, or by living in smaller family groups, so have lower infection rates.
In some countries, migrant workers are at particular risk, because they live in crowded dormitories.
04-10-2020 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
It's probably not race that causes the phenomenon (i.e. it's not genetics as such), but there's clearly a correlation between ethnicity and infection rates, as well as fatality rates.
Blacks and other ethnic minorities tend to be over-represented in groups of low-paid "frontline workers", be they bus drivers or healthcare workers. Richer white people are generally more able to isolate themselves, by working for home, or by living in smaller family groups, so have lower infection rates.
In some countries, migrant workers are at particular risk, because they live in crowded dormitories.
It apparently has more to do with underlying medical conditions rather than higher infection rates:
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"We don't think African Americans are more susceptible to getting infected," Dr. Deborah Birx, the coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said Wednesday on NBC's "TODAY" show.

But she said her group was "very concerned" when it became clear that pre-existing conditions, such as diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity and asthma were associated with worse outcomes of the coronavirus.

Those underlying conditions tend to be more prevalent in communities of color, a finding that's been well documented in recent years.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1179306

      
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