That's right, it's not about the odds but the EV lol

The wet markets are clearly unsanitary, and it's true that bats are a reservoir for possibly hundreds of different coronaviruses. I think the markets should clearly be "cleaned up" (stricter regulations), if not banned entirely. But this isn't a uniquely Chinese problem.
The so-called 'Spanish' flu of 1918, which killed approximately 50 million people, was caused by avian flu. Did America respond to the most deadly avian flu pandemic in living memory by stopping the eating of chicken, or by getting the chicken farmers to enact social-distancing measures for the birds?
There have been around fifty zoonotic outbreaks of swine flu since 1958. From 2009-10, around 1.4 billion people were infected, and hundreds of thousands died. Swine flu is endemic in factory farms across the world. (Around 50% of American breeding pigs carry it). Has bacon been banned?
The rate at which both cases and deaths are confirmed seems to have slowed. Obviously the total number of cases or deaths doesn't peak until there are zero new cases, but the gradient of the line for total cases has clearly reached an inflexion point.


https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/

The graphs don't prove that total lockdowns will definitely flatten the curve in the same time period in every country, or that lockdowns are the only way to achieve a 'flattening', but the way that Italy's graphs are trending is in line with what people were hoping would happen.

2003- Sars1 reason bats
2012 MERS reason bats through camels
2019 Sars 2 reason bats
20?? Ebola reason bats then monkeys then humans (I believe)

Definitely the wet markets have to be shut.

Germany's apparently low death rate mystified me for a while, but the Guardian link that was posted earlier helped explain it.
Luck may be a factor, as it seems Germany avoided any super-spreader incidents that led to multiple clusters of old people getting infected before lockdowns were in place. Similarly to what happened in South Korea, Germany enabled wider testing of the general population, which contains more younger/healthier people than the testing regimes of other countries where testing is mostly limited to the seriously ill/hospitalized. Germany also has a very high number of hospital beds per 1000 in the population (around 8/1000, compared to the 3/1000 of Italy, Spain, UK, US, etc), which might mean that the pressures on German ITUs isn't as great.
I think a big factor is "bookkeeping" of the stats. Italy is apparently tallying the numbers in a different way to Germany. e.g. Italy may include deaths from heart attacks in the Covid stats if the patient happens to have the virus, whereas Germany would (correctly imo) list the cause of death as a heart attack, if Covid wasn't a contributing factor.
Germany's death rate is climbing quite rapidly now though, and its fatality graph will likely follow a similar trajectory to similarly advanced countries, albeit from a slower starting point and with a flatter curve than most.

Germany has one thing going for them I think and that is hygiene. Mothers walk around with disinfectant im their purse all the time. Also they are very much all aware that there are germs that can make them sick.
I really don't know if this is why the numbers in Germany differ but it could be one of the reasons. I believe germany to be one if the most sanitary countries in the world.

They get laughed at that they have a stick up their butts but they are clean. Being good or bad in this situation it probably helps.

basically no chance the wsop happens at this point.

At this early point in the pandemic, climate has pretty much zero impact on the outbreak. If you think that the weather can predict where outbreaks of viruses occur, perhaps you can look at this map of the current (normal) influenza situation in the USA, and maybe use some weather statistics in an attempt to prove that Alaska and New Hampshire are warmer than Texas:

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap

If you want to find the real answer for why the biggest outbreaks are in particular places (like the Milan area, London, Madrid, the Seattle area, New York, LA), you could go to https://nextstrain.org/ncov?dmax=202...min=2020-03-01 and scroll down to the map and press PLAY, to see the best current model of when and where the outbreaks occurred. You might notice lots of curved lines appearing on the map. They have a strong correlation with international flight paths. Prior to the borders being shut, flights from Wuhan/Hubei went to all the cities named above on a daily basis.

All I gotta say to you Mr. McFly is that it is no longer your mother (or grandmother's) 1950's anymore. But........

Mr. Saaaaaaaaaaaaandman, give me a dream..........

Washoe why don't you come out and say german people are superior, and you can get back to your alt right forums

I really hope they are right about this going down in the summer. And I really believe that this is no coincident that the outbreak happened in fall/winter times where there is naturally colder weather and better circumstances for a virus to spread.

If this is all correct then previous pandemics had to happen during this time and lost its impact in the summer season.

Lol. I would never join any alt right forum bc i think they are just sick in the head.

I am no Nazi, KRAUT whatsoever! I am only saying Germans are supercareful and cautious about germs. So much it handycapps them in many ways.
People were asking for a theory why Germany has these low numbers.

You have any data underlying that or just anecdotal guessing

Olympics postponed...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...virus-pandemic

Just a guess. But it make a sense don't u think?
Nowhere in the world do you have more laws, regulations, and crazy statues and offices that check for sanitary issues.

Trust me I been around the block enough to know people appreciate germanies tidyness. Not saying Germans are superior or anything sick and racial. Do not misunderstand this is purely objective.

That would only impact the transmission rate and wouldn't have anything to do with the fatality rate once people are infected.

This has been stated at least 4 or 5 times

Ok then this: German are known to run a very tight ship.
In almost every top hotel kitchen in the world you will see german chefs running the joint. People in Germany are used to follow orders without asking. Same with in China. I don't think the same applies to Italy or Spain to put this into persepctive.

This should answer your question about the WSOP

Given the number of venues involved with an Olympics, the logistics are several orders of magnitude less in terms of running the WSOP than an international athletics festival which occurs every four years.

This is not to say that WSOP and the other local tournament series don't have moving parts, but each of the series are held under ONE roof. The Olympics is NOT a single-venue sort of function. Summer is a little easier than winter, where you can see MANY miles between some of the event venues, but you STILL are dealing with multiple locations.

As we grow closer to May, we hopefully will ALSO see better the impact that heat and next to no humidity has on the current iterations of the coronavirus. There HAVE to be reasons why one of three to four test positive or presumptive positive in New York (based upon recent numbers) while, for example, we see numbers more like one in 25 to 30 testing positive or presumptive positive. At least SOME of that difference could very well be associated with climate-related elements of the equation (we were pushing 90 degrees yesterday evening at 630p when I drove home and it was about 80 when I came into the office an hour ago).

(and before anyone whines about me being in the office, I have a profession that, even in shelter-in-place situations, is deemed 'essential')

The rates are not the same worldwide. There are a number of reasons for that. But there IS a reality that we are still in single digits for deaths here in Texas as of yesterday (nine according to the update this morning by TxDSHS, with 410 positive/presumptive positive cases).

Since most likely won't bother to look more closely at the source, this page is associated with the map... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overv..._1571167821424

A 3.8% rate for influenze-like-illness (the ILI referenced by the map and with 3.8% being the baseline in the Texas region) is NOT cause for concern the way some are losing their heads...

Nobody on a roller coaster screams while it's going uphill.

This, just like most of the other BS you've spouted, is anecdotal. Unless of course you have been to almost every top hotel kitchen in the world yourself to see all these German chefs but we all know you haven't.

You guys should really chill on the fatality rate as a measure. It will swing very widely based on how much testing goes on. In Germany and Korea, the rate is very low, because the number of people tested is much higher and they have found more of the cases where the patient was asymptomatic or just a little bit sick. In other places, where they are overwhelmed or have failed to deploy widespread testing, the death rate will be dramatically overstated.

Until there is a significant breakthrough in treatment modalities, it is extremely likely that the true death rate is similar everywhere. Some places know the actual number of people infected to a higher degree than others. It is probably the case that somewhere like Italy (and soon Spain) will have a higher death rate due to the breakdown of the healthcare system, but probably not as high as the current numbers suggest.

It is also not particularly useful to study those numbers in the early stages because so few cases have reached their final outcomes.

pretty obvious the fatality rate is overestimated, at the end of the pandemic we'll know the real numbers and it is going to be significantly lower, all of the case we don't hear about are people staying home being asymptomatic or having such mild symptoms they don't bother testing

hell I almost want to choke being tested because the test looks so uncomfortable