Maybe I'm dense (and there's a good chance I am) but I still don't get it. Whether the virus is on my bare hands or gloved hands and I touch my face I have the same risk of transferring it to my eyes, nose, mouth. Likewise if I'm dealing cards and the virus is on my bare hands or gloved hands the odds would be the same that I pass it via the cards.

Unless you can absorb the virus through the skin on your bare hands I don't understand the protection from gloves.

The shortage is not cotton swabs, it is creating the chemical reagents quanidinium-thiocyanate which does not look to be a simple process and is mostly created in China. The capacity seems to be in the millions of tests per month, not something like billions so there can be enough capacity for multiple tests per person over the planet.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...um-thiocyanate

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...gent-1.4221266

Oddly I agree with Quicky. I dont get the gloves. Virus is on surface of gloves or hands, either one need to be sanitized. Does latex as a surface repel the virus?

Unless dealers or going to change gloves every deal or every time they touch a chip, what difference does it make if they use gloves or not. Must be some reason as hospital staff use them all day , everyday. But I think they change them after each contact with patient.


More general... its hard to for me to imagine what the mood in the casino will be for players when it will feel like you are in an ER. But Casinos have to get started somewhere to deal with the new world order. From a financial perspective its also good for employees. I cant think of a local economy hit harder than Vegas.


P.S. Lolz Crude oil futures price. These are strange times. Hope everyone is keeping safe and sane.

Not a doctor or an epidemiologist, but the glove thing makes sense to me in this way: It's a faster, easier version of hand washing. If I do a customer-facing task where I have to handle something that the customer has been pawing, it's very easy for me to swap out my gloves as opposed to finding a sink, doing a 30 second hand wash (including drying) and getting back to what I was doing.

If you're going based on the assumption that people wear the same gloves all day, then - aside from the constant reminder to be careful with your hands - I'm not clear on what benefits they provide.

Just curious, taking into account health and economic considerations, do you think herd immunity (just by default) is the most likely way this will be managed (probably not the right word choice) before a vaccine is available?

We obviously cannot lock down the world so the virus will continue to survive and everything will flare up again when things reopen. It seems inevitable to me that herd immunity has to play a role like it has with many diseases/viruses, etc that came before this.

One caveat would be something another poster mentioned regarding some promising drug cocktails on the horizon that may help minimize the risk of infection but we will have to wait and see how those play out.

Exactly. What makes gloves pointless is wearing the same pair for anything but a short period of time.

Just citing two historical cases doesn't really help that much. Why not actually provide more concise, relevant facts or timelines. I'm not trying to be snarky here--how exactly do those cases compare with the current pandemic in terms of the massive social changes implemented through sheer government force? It sounds like you've researched both cases well. Please feel free to share.

All good questions. I think the answer is very complex. I think there are things we should do and things we should hope for. I think we just have to gradually open up (through stages) different parts of the economy in different places, knowing that there will be some flare ups. The best case scenario, until a vaccine is found, lies in South Korea. But, it's a different (much smaller country) with less diversity and a very different cultural mentality.

I don't think aiming for herd immunity is going to be the solution (which you also recognize too). I think the main goal is to prevent a massive breakout and overload in hospitals (like Italy or NYC). Herd immunity requires at least 70% of the population to have acquired (and recovered from the virus). That would be tough to get and I think we should not aim for that. Rather, we should keep trying to contain this until a vaccine comes. Yes, that is quite unsatisfying, I know.

But we should also keep hoping that treatments like remdesivir or hydrochloroquine ends up being very effective. I think we'll know much more about those treatments in a few months.

On further thought, the best case scenario is that the virus morphs into a weaker form and goes away in the summer, and never comes back, much like what happened with SARS. If that happens, the drinks are on me!

Note: I am not a medical doctor nor do I play one on TV. I'm just like you, hoping for the best, and learning as we go along.

If I did so I'd simply be reprinting and paraphrasing information already available to you via a simple Google search. If you want to lay claim to what represents a heretofore unseen event in the history of mankind you need to first learn what the history of mankind actually holds.

So if the WSOP will be held in the fall --- I suppose WSOP Circuit isn't gonna run until 2021?

So Online it is!
Pls someone make a thread about all events,
Sites..etc etc.

thx, that makes perfect sense.

so, as Quick mentioned , dealers wearing them seem sort of pointless, unless they change them out after every touch of everything.

I've been looking at Google, but I can't find the information of the kind of massive shutdown by government and deep social changes you are alluding to with the Black Plague and Spanish Flu. Since you cited those cases, and know a lot about them, can you at least just cite the link that would help me read about it? Or even just cut and paste a few lines that goes against what I said? Since you are claiming that I'm wrong, I'd like to honestly look into this so I can be corrected.

I’m not saying this refutes or supports what you were saying, but FWIW, a couple things that I found, with the Spanish Flu item being more directly relevant:

Black Plague:
https://www.brown.edu/Departments/It...cts/social.php
Spanish Flu:
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/a...stancing-works

Thanks for this. That is actually helpful and relevant, and does show that at least there was serious social changes wrought by those diseases. It says that for the Spanish Flu schools were closed down and so were "large public gatherings." Perhaps there were other restrictions at that time too, but it still doesn't seem as extensive as what's going on right now. I wonder how systematic the shutdown was at that time.

Consider something else, using a thought experiment this time rather than historical accounts of those two previous pandemics. Imagine going through what we've gone through this past month but without the benefit of modern medicine, telecommunication, transportation, continuous refrigeration, and food preservatives.

That's a very good point and I've thought about this many times. There is no doubt in my mind that we are extremely fortunate and probably should be even more appreciative of the situation we are in (despite how much it still sucks). Modern medicine alone is a marvel. I also thank God for Netflix. I sincerely wonder what this must have looked like back then.

Anyone have a read on whether this Summer's WSOP would've been the last year at RIO anyways, and move to the new Caesars Convention Center on the Strip for 2021?

If it's moving to Strip in 2021, it could be a helluva blow-out, "welcome back to WSOP", "inaugural Strip WSOP", if they play their cards right!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-flu-pandemic

My little home town in Colorado was well know for dodging the 1918 flu because of extreme measures. Different times but interesting read.

Well we don't know if the virus can transmit through skin. Some can. And it's easy to have microscopic cuts on your hands that a virus may transmit through even if it's a virus that can't transmit through skin.

The US is ramping up the production of ventilators. Not for its own use (it appears to have enough for now), but presumably because there is money to be made selling them to countries in South and Central America and Africa that will shortly be needing them.
I'm not sure why there isn't a more coordinated centralized policy (using the Defense Production Act, for example) regarding masks/PPE and testing kits. Those aren't the kind of things that should be left to the free market imo.
I'm sure Fauci would like to have more than two million tests per week, just to enter phase one of the return to work. He will strive for more tests than that in the long-term because he knows a thing or two about epidemics.

Source: CNN.

To my knowledge there is as much data that COVID-19 can be transmitted through cuts (neverminded through skin) as there is for the moon being made out of cheese. This virus has to get into the mucus membranes of the respiratory system through the eyes, nose or mouth.

I think that the prevailing wisdom is wearing gloves makes it less likely a person touches their own face and possible transmit the virus through their orifices. Not sure if there has been any scientific study to back this up.

Good points. I also think a significant part of the re-opening strategy will be to do our best to protect those who are highest at risk. If you look at the US plans, every stage includes stricter guidelines for those groups than for lower risk people.

For the plague I think they made everybody keep their pockets full of posies because of the stench of death.

And with a World war raging.