When is enough enough ?

Why is CardPlayer STILL advertising Lock Poker despite the obvious inability (or unwillingness) to honor cash out requests (in a timely manner if at all) from it's player base ?

They have no issues with being the cause of a new, perhaps young player making a deposit on that site, and then regretting it ?

This industry needs to start cleaning itself up.

I would guess because CP likes advertising revenue and LP gives them that. It's not as if CP has ever been accused of journalistic(or any for that matter)integrity
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Cardplayer continues to take Lock money because the poker community either lacks the ability or will to make it a bad business decision. Ethics obviously do not play a part in Cardplayers business model so I won't address that point. I am not surprised really, everyone hates Sheldon Adelson for his very strong anti online poker lobbying yet his poker room gets plenty action from the poker community.

They also continue to advertise that Lock runs a weekly $100,000 guaranteed each Sunday, even though that is not true.

Cardplayer used to be my homepage for my internet browser. Since they have continued advertising for lock poker, I have changed months ago.

Because the poker community at large has never demonstrated the necessary backbone to make shady sites/individuals pay for their crimes against the community.

On one hand that makes sense - poker is an individual game of exploiting small edges, which lends itself to a "do what's best for me and damn everyone else" mindset.

On a broader scale, it's obviously a problem. People aren't outed for scamming until they have stolen from multiple people. Individuals who are known to be scummy/shady still get action. Hell, casinos don't even ban known cheaters.

We can't even manage to blacklist people who have stolen millions, we aren't going to get organized enough to boycott a poker magazine for the relatively simple crime of continuing to advertise a shady site.

I have an editorial about this very topic in the works. I share the opinion of several points in this thread. It is all a symptom of a bigger problem.

I posted this same thread 3 months ago and had it moved to containment lock thread. The answer is obv because barry Shulman is only concerned about dollars lining his pockets and does not give a damn if poker players are being scammed. Barry Shulman is unethical and complicit in the scam that is Lock by advertising them.

Imo barry Shulman and cardplayer should have their own thread and this shouldn't be moved to lock containment as buried there. Let Barry have the spotlight he deserves.

A thread like this should not be moved, as it's clearly the "VIEW" of some in The Poker Community that they SHOULD NOT be advertising Lock, and some of us would like to know why they continue to do so.

Any comment, CardPlayer and/or Barry Shulman ?

I don't speak for all NVG mods, but I'm inclined to let it stand for now as long as it stays about Cardplayer and doesn't turn into another Lock bash thread.

Not that bashing Lock isn't valid, but we only need one of those.

Agreed.....my question is more about CardPlayer, than Lock.

Iirc someone posted a while back that they got an email response from a bigwig at CardPlayer and that their explanation was that they had a contract with Lock and that they felt like honoring their contract is the proper thing to do. That would make a little bit more sense if their contract wasn't enabling a company to scam people.

Edit: Obv they're not legally obligated to honor that contract.

Guess Lock is paying some people

When I was a younger lad, I was a co-owner in a local Appliance Sales and Service Company.

We used to run advertisements obviously.

After a couple years in business, we started running into financial problems, and began having difficulties in performing warranty work.

When enough people complained, we eventually got a call from some of our advertisers, Idearc Media (now Super Media LLC), who run the Yellow Pages Phone Book as well as our local newspaper called, telling us they would no longer allow us to run advertisements until we resolved our business issues.

Learned a valuable lesson about running a business through that experience.

I would expect a Major publication like Card Player to be even MORE demanding than my local NewsPaper and Phone Book Company.

Who you advertise reflects on YOU.

The more important question is why is anyone still playing on Lock Poker at all?

No, that's exactly the sort of discussion that belongs in the Lock containment thread.

Keep this about Cardplayer.

Haven't seen their ads
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Do they brag about fast payouts
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CP may be hurting for revenue
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No doubt Lock is a bottom dweller
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Is it CP's responsibility to warn people
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It is CP's responsibility to stay in business
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They have probably weighed the choices and gone with the revenue
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New player browses web, finds Card Player, sees Lock ad, looks good, signs up.

They are on CardPlayers short list of "Best Online Poker Sites"

They just recently removed some text from their ads that advertised various elite pros on Lock, some of which had already quit about 7 months ago.

They also advertise a 200% $4000 first time deposit bonus.

Edit - Bonus Code: THEFUTURE (lol)

Cardplayer is a disgrace and needs to stop taking Lock advertising money immediately.

And the ones they are getting, are the newer people in the Poker Community.
Someone JUST getting into Poker, looks at Card Player, signs up for Lock....and gets sour taste about Poker.

Bad for the industry and they should stop.

This thread has reminded me that CardPlayer still exists. I don't think I've logged on that website in 2+ years.

Shulman and Card Player disgust me, they've permanently lost all credibility in my eyes.

I wonder how many curious poker newbies get suckered into depositing onto Lock each day after landing on Card Player?

Shame on you Barry Shulman, you're an accessory to fraud.

I'm glad this thread has a chance to exist aside from the Lock thread.

A lot of anger has been directed at Primo and the rest of the Lock Pros, and deservedly so, but CardPlayer is far more to blame for perpetuating this fraud than any of the LockPros at this point. In fact, I don't think it's a stretch to claim that CardPlayer is Lock's #1 accomplice and one of the only reasons they're still alive.

If you could somehow graph the cashout situation at Lock over the past year, it would go straight down, like this:



Lock has destroyed almost everything and everyone they've come in contact with over the past two years -- Merge Network, Revolution Network, various skins across both networks, and of course, the thousands of players who have been stiffed so far.

Lock has reportedly stolen in excess of 7 figures (possibly 8 figures at this point) from players and other operators over the past couple of years.

There is absolutely NO DENYING the cancerous nature of Lock in our community and the damage they've caused.

CardPlayer has no ethical excuse for continuing to accept Lock advertising dollars. There is no reasonable excuse for pretending to not know or turn the other cheek. It is an absolute disgrace and they are just as guilty as Lock at this point.

2+2 was the first entity to refuse Lock's advertising requests. This happened back in May. It's good that we still have ethical people like those at 2+2 in the poker community, who do business with integrity.

CardPlayer Magazine, which was pretty much an icon in the poker world, has really **** the bed on this and lowered itself to Lock's pathetic level.

it does make you wonder if the "best sites" designation was both for sale and part of the contract. OK, Lock has a prepaid deal on banner ads. Somewhat plausible if unlikely, how about some actual coverage that Lock and other sites generally aren't paying out in a reasonable fashion? If you are claiming to rank online sites, wouldn't paying out be an important criterion?

I used to enjoy reading CP, but now hearing anything about them makes me mad. Probably was wrong for liking them before.