Honestly, all the people whining and talking butterfly theory should shut up and stop being pathetic wastes of human beings.

Considering the guy freaked out at the end and donked off his chips his fake chips could have just as easily hurt you as helped you in the tournament.

Blah blah blah everyone wants a handout or an excuse of why they suck at poker.

They should just do a chip chop include the fake chips, make sure no one is involved and get on with it.


Most of you people probably need a job also.

It truly is sad that is type of cheating is still going on in mtts. How can anyone be proud to be a poker pro when this type of crap goes on? This is one of the major issues I have with playing the game of poker. Poker players don't contribute anything to society and people from outside of the poker community always hear about all the scams and terrible things that happen in poker. This type of stuff makes poker look bad and makes me uncomfortable as a poker player. There are already a ton of people who are anti gambling and this type of thing puts it over the edge. Hard to talk to friends and family about poker seriously when there are so many horrible people in the game of poker.

There are bad people in every profession don't think it says anything about poker. Also, many people have jobs that contribute nothing to society. Is what it is. Its good to live in a free society where people can try and make a living off playing cards.

Books should take action on how this will pan out, lol.

Someone needs a hug

Can't be a popular post but I'm plus one on this. The image of the poker player to the non player community needs work to be sure.

Why is the word "Borgata" on the chips blurry?

[QUOTE=kevmode;42078020]It truly is sad that is type of cheating is still going on in mtts. How can anyone be proud to be a poker pro when this type of crap goes on? This is one of the major issues I have with playing the game of poker. Poker players don't contribute anything to society and people from outside of the poker community always hear about all the scams and terrible things that happen in poker. This type of stuff makes poker look bad and makes me uncomfortable as a poker player. There are already a ton of people who are anti gambling and this type of thing puts it over the edge. Hard to talk to friends and family about poker seriously when there are so many horrible people in the game of poker.[/

I applaud you for a bold but truthful statement. You have spoken for a small minority of poker player !(I guess 20% to 30% of players).When we choose poker as our hobby or profession most of us knew ,what r we getting in to. It is a tough and rough environment. I agree 100% with what you said.Still hopeful of achieving something out of this great challenging hobby without embarrassing my sanity and intelligence !!

i completely agree, if someone has 3% of the chips they should get 3% of the prize pool if they have 10% than they should get 10%. its not complicated. the arrest has been made so why no resolution?

Probably no resolution yet because they haven't finished their investigation yet. Imagine the embarassment if they were to pay other players (if any) involved with Lusardi in this crime.

Under this payout structure you could theoretically get less than 27th place money.

Obviously this is not how a chip chop or ICM chop works.

Not on a high horse. I have attempted to engage in a discussion about how the law actually works as far as determining if someone has a cause of action, and if so, how their damages would be calculated. You obviously aren't interested for whatever reason in an actual legal discussion, since you responded without even reading. Way to participate. If you would like to reread my hypotheticals and answer what you think your damages would be, go ahead. It will be educational for at least one of us.

And again, you are completely incorrect. Industry standard is not dispositive, but certainly is HUGELY relevant in a negligence case. If 5000 tournaments are run with procedure A with no problems, and the 5001st tournament is also run with procedure A and there is a problem, surely you can understand why it's a problem to say WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER THAN TO USE PROCEDURE A.

I have yet to see a comparison of the chips. It is possible that they are blatant enough to raise negligence on that basis. In the picture with the darker chips and the 'shiny' one, I have heard lots of people say the shiny ones were given out by the casino and are not the counterfeits.

he was disagreeing with you, he thinks it should be an even 27-way chop with the remaining 27 players. Or they all get 27th place money. I'm beginning to think that he wants badly for that to happen to strengthen his "refund" claim, because OMG NO ONE GOT TO WIN VOID TOURNAMENT, whereas a chip chop theoretically has a 1st place finisher. I can't think of any other reason why he has been so vocal on this.

I think it is quite clear that an ICM or chip chop is the most fair, although can also buy awarding, say, 25-50% of the remaining pool in equal shares, and the other 50-75% via ICM/chip chop.

I'm assuming most of these chips were introduced during table change, I would hope that that many fake chips would be noticed at a table by dealer and players if put in play during action.
My suggestion would be to have racks of chips bagged and sealed during moves. This would be inexpensive and at least take away one opportunity for cheating.
Or perhaps chips be carried by staff only?

so every time a table breaks, we need 9 staff members? Or one guy to walk each player individually to their table all across a large room? Sucks to be the 9th guy who has to stand around and wait for 5 minutes while the other 8 guys get escorted individually.

OLD Borgata ruling: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1

I'm really stretching the comparison here....Interesting this ruling didn't even give the loser their money back.

PS> The day 1a players would definitely want refunds for every hand they lost since sitting down at the table.

Unrelated but similar .. WOW

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/nucl...chips-20417212

My theory is Lusardi will be awarded all remaining prize money for exposing vulnerabilities in MTT chip counterfeiting.

Daaamn. Also, this could warrant its own thread but I agree it's relevant to the Borgata case.

i cant agree with equal shares, the guy who has 10 million in chips is entitled to a higher prize than say the guy who has 900,000 chips. i myself dont want more than the guy who has 10 mil, its just not right, the borgata will never make everyone happy especially with the people who keep thinking they were cheated, lusardi didnt change the outcome by 20% or 10% he changed the game by 1%. the only ones really being cheated are the final 27. one of the remaining got cheated out of 372k.

He'll have one of the most well-funded New Jersey prison commissary accounts in history!

Accomplishes nothing and a huge waste of time and energy. What about breaks. So easy to palm in three chips every break.

Thats just how they look in pictures.

Huge waste of time to slip a plastic bag over chips that have to be racked anyways? Didn't say it would eliminate opportunity to palm chips, however difference between adding 3 chips on a break every 2 hrs, compared to adding 50 during a move are not the same animal.

I'm just trying to figure out how they can avoid this in the future. 200 fake 5k chips is mind boggling to me.