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Originally Posted by oscillator
It was an interesting one to say the least. I took off about 30 hours in, Mike stuck around a while longer.
The very same day I heard Shaun's podcast, Eli and Alex were at the same mixed table sharing a laugh over something. Photo op missed, but not my thing really, also I was in another mix. They've been playing the same game most of the last week. This isn't really news or anything, it's just kind of uncomfortable to see after the fact.
For those who dont know him, Glantz is a prolific figure for most of the up and comers in the mixed game world, particularly those transitioning into the live scene. Personally speaking, playing with him for the first time felt like I had unlocked a new world in Zelda or something. Oppenheim is literally the only person who's table presence made me metaphorically double-take , and a complement from him can make your poker career.
All the stupid cliquish **** talking that circulates through different groups, along with all of the entitlment is really underwhelming and needs to go for real. Playing poker, professionally especially, is so daunting, mentally draining in itself, and just full of let downs from a plethora of angles, it would really serve everyone well to just be cool. It's funny the pros that bash NVG for what it is, when what NVG is is essentially a microcosm of the professional poker world as a whole.
FMP, need to proofread.
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Originally Posted by ReasonableDoubt
that last paragraph you write is really why I dislike going to live events and being around people like that so much. To me, the entitled "cool" poker pro (obv doesn't mean good) is one of the most tilting things about playing for a living.
I think it's terrible in terms of how the rec players look at it and how some of these guys/girls treat rec players. I guess I'm just saying that way of acting is really bad for poker as a whole and these people should be called out for their childish ways of acting at times.
Yeah, good or not is semi-irrelevent. It's more annoying for me to see good players doing it for several obvious reasons ( smart enough to know better, good enough to not be so insecure, bottom line reasons, etc )
People have gotten a bit better at trying to not make things uncomfortable for the clear mark, assuming the mark is a recreational player, and people have also gotten better at standing up for the fish, which is good.
Players are still loud *******s when other players are in hands, or will gather around someone else's tournament that they aren't sweating to get drunk and joke with each other at obnoxious levels that they themselves would never tolerate, as if their agenda supersedes those actually playing.
Great players are just as guilty as the railers of writing players off and talking all the **** over a misplayed hand, or a concept that they just havent grasped yet. Pros treat pros who aren't in their immediate circle poorly generally. It can be daunting for some to play in new games or try different variants knowing your edge may be non existent for the moment and you are likely to be scrutinized and ridiculed in whispers from the other side of the table. I remember it happening to me when I was transitioning to live poker, and it happens all of the time still now. It's a very uncomfortable thing if you havent learned yet how to deal with that stuff. There's plenty more but this is already tl;dr and a derail.
John H could never be pw, and Jungle has been challenging everyone to HU at Commerce all week so he's out. Most likely it's some guy who is always at the Casino hanging over the shoulder of every regular there gathering second hand information on everybody because it's his only social outlet. Guys like Harley in Vegas ( not Thrower the mixed player ), or Scotty Brooks in Chicago. That kind of guy.