The amount of angling and buffoonery Eli does in the first 30 seconds of that clip is amazing. Viffer offers him a very clear 10k bet that Eli had the better hand (K high) in some previous hand. Eli insta says he accepts at 20-1 and tosses 20k to Viffer. He meant, I guess, that he will bet his 20k to Viffer's 10k on that even though Viffer didn't ask for odds. Viffer says "you got a bet". Then Eli says "You say you have deuces, you can't be lying, right?" Viffer: "I'm not lying." Eli "Okay then, it's a bet, give me my money back. Guys, it's a bet."

When Viffer eventually reveals that he had 8 high, Eli latches onto something non-existent about how Viffer lied about having deuces (which doesn't come up until after Eli has tossed Viffer money) when all Viffer said was "I'm not lying" in order to fully lure Eli into a losing bet. It would've worked if Eli didn't play the role of relaxed veteran gambler living on the high ground so well back in those days. Even after Eli slithered out of the bet he was still talking about how Viffer stole 10k from him.

Lol African Zebrawood

viffer was 100% the one angling in that hand.

opie the god

You're an idiot if you can't realize Viffer was the one angling there. He angled by implying to Eli that Eli has lost the 10k bet. This caused Eli to say the bet was off because he felt cheated; even though he actually won the bet.

Viffer found out what Eli's hand was and didn't have to pay a 10k bet he lost.

hi Opie

Now I think privateworld=Oppenheimer or is one of them lol

Privateworld,

Is Negreanu the fish in the big games he has been playing recently? On his blog he seems to think he's going to beat the game consistently.

The only bet that makes any sense for both parties to agree to is who had the best hand, before both hands are revealed. Eli was trying to argue he was betting whether or not he could beat 22, which is completely absurd and obviously an angle, because he would only accept that bet if he knew he would win.

Are you really trying to argue that a perfectly sensible bet didn't take place, and a bet that makes no sense and only favors one party (which happens to be a serial scammer) did take place? Wow.

Edit: Oh I see what you mean, Viffer didn't actually have 78. If that's the case then they're both angling.

re: opie, This is the best "slam" call, ever (and lol at "chop it up")

https://youtu.be/GFKOymMELZk?t=309

this. let this be an example of the character of mr david peat. i remember watching this awhile back and was pretty baffled at how scummy he could be over something so trivial. ill recap what happened for those who never saw it.

eli and viff got into a big hand early on and eli, bluffing with king high, bet about $47k on the river into pot of $48k. viffer folded and was embarrassed because he was pretty sure eli bluffed him, but he wasnt 100% sure...after the hand eli says, to nobody in particular, "i was gonna be stuck if he called my bluff over there. it would be a good game." then, howard starts saying "you know he wasnt bluffing now, he wouldnt say that"

so now viffer pulls this multi level scumbag angle so he can figure out the truth. he says "ill bet $10k he had me beat". viffer has ZERO intention of paying off the bet here if hes wrong because his plan is to lie about his hand multiple times after eli accepts the bet and tells the table his hand... hes just making the proposition because depending on what elis response is he would be able to tell instantly if eli bluffed or not.

eli snap accepts and says "ok i lay 2 to 1 on $10k. you said you had deuces, right?" (apparently viffer said this after the hand but it was cut as it isnt heard on camera. they probably edited out a few seconds of the conversation during the commercial break/cut away)....

the exact conversation after the $10k bet is proposed by viffer goes...

eli: "alright, i lay 2 to 1 on the ten thousand"
viffer: "you got a bet"
eli: "you said you had deuces, you cant be lying right?"
viffer: "im not lying"
eli: "alright then, its a bet"
viffer: "then i owe you ten thousand..."
eli: "i had king seven offsuit"

(the board was 6s 4c Jc 3h Qs for those who didnt see the clip...viffer had Kc3c for a pair of threes...phil laak starts shouting to eli 'youre so sick, youre so sick!' and gives eli a shoulder rub. the entire table is pretty thrilled to hear about the bluff. this clearly makes viff sick to his stomach)

eli: "i made ten thousand. i didnt know i was gonna make ten thousand from that but now the game is good"
howard (to viffer): "and you really had deuces?"
viffer: "no. i didnt say what i had"

(first angle from viffer. he had already stated he had deuces, after which eli asked him, as quoted above, if that was true. viffer confirmed)

eli: "then you had a pair obviously...or ace high?"
howard: "he had deuces beat anyway"
viffer: "i didnt have deuces either...i had seven eight"

(now the second angle from viffer. first says he has deuces, confirms it to the table. makes the bet, then once is told the truth from eli he lies AGAIN saying that he had 8 high)

eli: "well, then, you didnt have a pair you mean?"
viffer: "i guess you lose"
eli: "no, you said you had deuces. thats a bet...that was the bet"
viffer: "i said the bet was that you had me beat"
eli: "i wouldnt throw $20k if you wouldnt have said deuces..."
viffer: "i didnt say what i had when we made the bet"

(third angle from viffer! the scumbag is strong with this one)

eli: "theres no bet now. obviously theres no bet"
viffer: "oh theres no bet?"
eli: "i didnt lie, i told you what i had. you said you had deuces"
viffer: "we never said we were on the honor system....so you only bet because you knew you had me beat? ...you only bet if i lose. as soon i tell you what i have you said 'oh its no bet because i thought you had something else'".
eli: "obviously, because you said you had deuces...."

(now eli realizes what viffer has done)

eli: "you got the information you wanted to get for free now, because you dont want to pay the ten thousand..."


then howard, in a strong display of irony, starts discussing the ethics of the bet and whether both eli and viffer were angling each other to some degree when they both made the bet. that might have been the funniest part of all. yes, eli only made the bet because he thought viffer was telling the truth about his hand, thus making it an automatic win for eli. however, this isnt an angle or unethical. he was simply (so he thought) taking advantage of what he saw as a poor bet by viffer. he also might have seen viffer offer players freerolls in the past for showing hands of a certain value...(ie: viffer thinks a player is bluffing after a hand, and says "ill give you $5k if you can show me anything better than ace high) so eli wasnt in the wrong for making the bet....ultimately viffer angled eli really hard just to figure out whether or not he got bluffed in a $100k pot. instead of just waiting for the show to air, he lies about 5 times in the span of 3 minutes, welches on a 5 figure bet, and makes himself look like a complete jackass to every poker player in the world. moral of the story here? DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN:

privateworld is oppenheim +1

Pics of Opie need more gold chains imo

+1

Pvtworld says he's never seen OP. Pretty sure oppenheim is/was a reg in Bobby's room at some point.

Not 100 % certain on this but if I remember correctly he was recording all of his sessions on his forum back in like 2004 or 2005 where he thought he was a favorite in the 4k-8k mix and he was winning for a while and then I think he got crushed and stopped posting tallies

lol guys, he was saying he's never seen oppenheim acting in bobbys room the way he was acting while giving the house tour. Essentially he was saying that oppenheim is normally an ass but was putting on a fake nice personality for the video. He wasn't saying he physically has never seen that guy before.

You've painted the picture of poker to be less desirable to many and I personally can appreciate that. The way media has portrayed this game to be such a blessing for the masses have yet to experience the treacherous road they will soon embark.

Only a very few that make a net profit at the end of the year can live off this game. Also, if I may add that if anyone is observant enough to look at Ivey's facial expressions during footage from the pre Black Friday days with Full Tilt and these last couple years you notice that even "the best in the world" has changed/suffered.

It's pretty obvious watching the WPT Manila live stream just recently and the Aussie Millions big buyin events the last couple years with Ike and Fedor going deep in Final tables. Finishing off high rollers and dealing with these young guns is difficult enough especially when the Full Tilt sponsorship money is no where to be found.

You make valid points PW and for the moderators to try to ban your stories and insights is unacceptable. Let the truth be known about the players in Bobbys room past and present, and the good and bad of the game we call poker.

Not saying he is or isnt but he also was pretty strict that if there was any bet that Opie could not be one of the parties confirming

im looking at them now in bobbys room. passing around a tablet. laughing at us. calling us fishes. its getting passed around the room. even the waiter is typing **** on there.

[x] confirmed

Their laughing at us?

I wouldn't think this is a laughing matter. We aren't the ones owed millions by scumbags cause of our own idiocy. But what do I know.

[x] above is believable
[x] confirmed

Riiight....tell em keep grinding out that IOU money.

Who are the big winners tonight? And maybe while they are all there (with a tablet), have them take a vote as to who are the best five players in the Big Game over the last year and let us know.

arthur c clarke -> clark gable -> gabe kaplan

If it is Gabe he won't be Welcomed Back.

Is private world matasow?

Def possible. What stakes does mike play? Would he be in these games?