Wha?? You prefer people who presumably play worse than you to run out of money and see a couple of streets for free?

Not really. I prefer hu and 3 handed limit poker. However, the Aria is probably interested in keeping people in the game, so I'm laying out practical scenarios. As for simplifying the game, well, having a bunch of short stacks does that.

It's not abc compared to NL; it's a different skill set, of which SS play is mostly nothing to be concerned about. The bold part is just ridic.

z4reio,
I was in the process of editing that bold part when my DSL dropped off. This connection has been hit and miss ever since. ISP has computer problems this morning.

How bout... "Short stacks offer ways and means to apply pressure." ... For instance, squeeze plays are more likely to work when the guy being squeezed knows it's gonna be expensive to continue. Shorty's last 3 or 4 big bets will not be conserved.

But enough of this. The Aria has is free to do whatever it wants to do with this thing.. Structure the games to fit the clientele and get it in the air..

Dude, leveling... 1 bet squeeze play?? Short stacks have to put bets in one at a time, just like everyone else, so not sure what you're talking about by pressure.

Jesus, I hope so.

come on.. you play limit. I don't have to spell it out.

I bet, you call, and shorty raises. I reraise. You... well, you eyeball shorty's stack, and then do whatever you think is best. If you wanna join the party, it's fine with me and shorty.

I'd be more concerned with facing two more bets from the original bettor and not a whole lot about the guy with a bet or so left.

agreed.. the mods have kept this thread in order, and can remove all the strategy stuff with my blessings..

2 stacks for 2 games. We can not use the same chip in 1 stack as this is still under trial period from NVGCB.



For the trial we are letting people balance their stacks to keep people interested in the game who usually don't play limit.


Finally,
Tonight at 6pm we will be trying an O/8 game with $5-10 and $6-12 limits. If players agree and the game works well it may move to $10-20. If your interested please sign up or be there at 6.

Tim

I played MAP on Saturday after speaking with Tim and deciding to give it a try with the limit game setup. I share the same opinion of the other trip reports who agree that the game is manageable, and after some more tweaks can go pretty smoothly. The most important/interesting thing I took away was in regards to which player types were enjoying this format the most. Many of us in the thread thought this would give a huge enough edge to people who were proficient at multitabling online that it would quickly scare away the recreational players. I actually think that the organized chaos that is MAP is more of an equalizer, and it actually seemed to make the recreational players more comfortable, since we were all trying to figure out how to manage such a new concept together. In other words, multitabling online and playing MAP live is about as similar as playing one table online and one live..some similarities but it's mostly a new set of challenges as far as managing two physical hands, chip stacks, paying attention to the other players, and using your ears a lot to listen to the dealers, players, etc. Also, the LHE game moved at lightning speed, since the decisions took a lot less time, so I guess that would be considered the most chaotic form of MAP as far as # of hands per hour. I'm curious to see how chaotic a NL game is, though, as far as the unique challenges that format will bring to the table.

Do I think MAP may have a place for the long term in Vegas? I actually have to say yes. The best chance of that happening, though, is to get a lot of the limit players to make Aria their new home. In the meantime, I'll be keeping a watchful eye on it from the NL table!

BTW, I would encourage everyone who's going to be at Aria to speak with Tim when he's there. He's very open to suggestions, keeping a notepad full of every ounce of feedback players are giving him, and is very passionate about making this concept run smoothly. They have already demonstrated their willingness to make adjustments to the game based on input from players, so at least check it out for an hour or so and see what it's like to actually play.

I've played a ****load of live and there is no ****ing way this takes off. I got scared off after watching the first 15 seconds. No no no no no.

Skeptical on o8 put please let us know how it plays. I think a chunk of the market is saying "play limit holdem and I'm in". listen to the market.

also Trup's full post was pretty damn astute as to the dynamics at the table.

I agree with this.

If you can't afford to rebuy u should have to leave.

Omaha 8was fun.

How long did it run? Full table or short-handed?

Two hours started five handed filled to eight handed

One problem that needs to be considered before using this for no-limit or pot-limit games is the treatment of $100 bills on the table, given that most places in Las Vegas use a rule that $100 bills on the table play but no other denominations play.

Soooo easy solution. Don't have real chips. Have real cards, real dealer, and two digital amounts that represent the players stack. The chips seem to make this the most chaotic and one of the reasons live poker is so slow to begin with. Ppl have to count out their chips, get counts from other players, stack the chips up etc.

I mean I'd be all for eliminating "real" cards and dealers to begin with and just do it all on video but I'm sure most players would throw a fit if you were to do that, so this could just be a nice little first step.

Might as well do away with the table and chairs and the need to actually go to a casino at all and just do it all on some kind of network of inter-connected computers with common software all from the comfort of your own home then, right?

Oh wait...

8:15 on a Friday and they can't get a game going...

Make it NL :-)

I'd play o8 again.

Has anyone heard of these guys www.dualholdem.com? They were at G2E and I played their game at the expo, it was almost identical to multi action poker, I think they were from Greece?

same guys afaik..
someone else mentioned that earlier itt.. I responded.
Start with msg 281

+1

Nah fish still think its cool to soul read and to "see if I have it" or not. The live aspect and "reads" will be there regardless of chips, dealers, and cards