The David Grusch interview is 'out':

https://www.youtube.com/live/jBeKzm9...e=share&t=1151



Someone on reddit did a decent summary of his claims so I'm just gonna lazily repost that:


Shots fired at AARO is the most exciting part for me. It creates a pressure cooker situation where enough people/attention would force Congress to in turn force AARO to investigate Grusch's leads and report back.

Kind of self-discrediting, isn't it?

It sounds like some of the worst excesses of paranoia that was in ufology in the mid to late 80s rehashed today, an X Files episode come to life. I was initially sceptical but kinda sorta interested in where this would ultiimately go, in spite of myself. But after reading that summary, I've now no interest at all. Just the same whacky blather from years ago rehashed by Grusch, it seems.

Has to be frustrating from those trying to monetize the UFO addicts when they look at the job Trump and others have done to monetize their respective derps. Reality is the UFO people do not commit the funds like the Trumpderps other than on Area 51 T-shirts, despite being likely much more in the "believer" category. They just do not put their money where their mouth is and are too fringy. They believe they know all the secrets, but no one has a good video to document it despite the billions of high quality phones that exist today. Whatever. Still, if it is a fun, harmless hobby for some - go for it.

It's official. Luis Elizondo, referenced itt as an apparently reliable source is full of crap

Senate approves law to force anyone involved in special access programs with information about UAP material to make it available to AARO (ufo office) within 6 months.

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/sena...in-six-months/

nothing to see here

Interesting piece, thanks for linking it.Let's say nothing is forthcoming. Would you think it's because there is nothing to submit, or that elements within the intel services were hiding materials?

At this pace they will lose trust fast if they make any kind of glaring mistep or nuke the momentum. And if literally nothing solid emerges people will just move on. It will look more and more like a psyop, which would be my assumption too.

It's not as if anybody trusted US intel before the tic tac/Zondo given their well publicised and lengthy track record of being right little shits; thus believers and quasi-believers alike will fairly easily pivot back to all the other facets of ufology when/if this starts unravelling.

I'm certainly not a Lazar advocate either. I mistrust anything remotely connected to US intel as a cast iron rule and Richard Doty cuts a very fringe voice in ufology today for those exact reasons. I'm far from convinced there are hollywood style saucers in underground bases from multiple 'crashes' either. A lot of this stuff sounds a bit too cringe and anthropomorphised to be real. But that could be because of the stigma and disinfo too.

You're on the right track. It's all a psy-op for still yet to be determined reasons and a lot of people pushing this (Christopher Mellon, Leslie Kean) are connected to some of the oldest and richest families in the US. We'll see where it all goes in the future.

Thing is, mens rea, for this current crop to be in on such a grander conspiracy it means they must have links (or at least a similar motivation to) all the many people before them, since the 1940s which is really where the 'flying saucer' we got em/we aint got em age began. That's a lot of people from all kinds of disciplines and rank and for a very long time telling one singular consistent lie: for four or so generations? I can't think of anything that would warrant that level of complex, interweving manipulation that isnt' huge in and of itself. And thus the 'they're leading us to X point' narrative seems probablistically unlikely.

Secret tech? I find the funding drive argument a bit silly too tbh. You don't supress secret tech by telling everyone you're being harassed by interdimensional aliens, and if your enemies know full well they don't have crash retrieval programs themselves then they already know you're full of ****, so why would you hope to convince them otherwise? It's illogical.

My God. You FINALLY admit you think it's a psyop, without getting all vague and ambiguous. Props to Ceres, I gotta say

Anyway if these yet to be determined reasons ever become determined, do let us know.

It doesn't make sense for them to disclose anything to the public. Seeing as they name everything sarcastically, "crash retrieval program" probably means "tech we stole from China" and they're using public attention to put pressure on them in exchange for info.

No idea what you're talking about. I've been calling it a psy-op for my entire posting history in this thread and before it existed.

I think you should get your story straight CV.

What's the psy-op from your perspective?

It’s def a psyop

Either aliens/other more intelligent beings are real AND the govt is letting people talk about it

OR

It’s not real aka it’s a scam.

What’s more likely?

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Dust devil swept you away. My recollections are all that's left of you.

No you were saying something is different vis-avis (See what I did there ) ufo reporting for reasons amd something was different about the sources reporting it also for reasons.
You never flat out claimed was a psy op. An 80 year psyop. Wow.

Edit. Yes you did claim it before and answered.

Oh. I see. Um... Remark withdrawn and let's not point fingers and get into the blame game here we're all mature enough to rise above such things.

Anyhoo....

Oh dear God no.
You're claiming the psyop so you give us your perspective instead. Rather than answer questions with questions.

So what's your perspective on this alleged psyop LB? Enthral me with your acumen.

I really don't think we are mature enough.

That's why we're awesome posters.

would read again