seems real

If true this is the start of the biggest news story of all time. Seriously, Occams razor points to this being utter bull, but time will tell. Interesting that there is still no evidence yet - just words. On another point it is a great way to bring the country/people/politics together just when we are facing an incredibly uncertain world - war in Russia, China rising and global warming.

That's because it was nothing new and totally standard.

Yeah he doesn't come across as sincere or believable at all. At the senate hearing I got the same insincere vibe off him. He pulls some weird facial expressions too. He does as you stated seem to be lying. I reckon at best this is some sort of disinfo exercise. Grusch is playing a potentially dangerous game, as afaik lying to congress is illegal?

Do you still have that opinion?

Yep , only difference is he's testifying before congress with his claims and I'm not interested in your questions either btw, your vagueness schtick bloated this thread out to over 70 pages.

It was your (and Cuepee's) complete inability to engage in an honest discussion that bloated this thread.

Everything is there for everyone to see-- no posts were deleted.

But if you aren't interested in responding to my question probably best that you don't respond to my posts.

You're delusional, you were called out on your vagueness by several posters and I'm not getting into it again with you, sorry. Go troll someone else.

"Called out on my vagueness by several posters"

Lol. "Several posters". The only person trolling here is you.

Yeah 'k I see you're engaging in your "that's-what-you-are-but-what-am-I" schtick and I'm not interested in that either any more than I was interested in your vagueness schtick/trolling.

You literally came in here and accused me of trolling and vagueness when I simply asked you a question, but anyone is free to read the thread and see who was being dishonest and who wasn't.

Not sure why he would say you were trolling, because you were obviously telling what you genuinely believe, however you kind of lie all the time, and use methods we have all seen way too many times (answering questions with questions / redirection/ never giving verifiable data etc.) even if you believe in what you are saying. Regarding the vagueness thing - many posters have pointed that out to you as you can literally never answer a direct question with a direct answer, and your stuff is always using very vague language. If you really cannot remember a variety of posters saying this to you - not sure what to tell you, either you are doing a direct lie or your memory has some issues and you may want to have that checked out.

Like before - this latest UFO stuff is a nothingburger. It is not a triple layered psyop to distract. It is not aliens. Perhaps it is Lizard People. Regardless, it's entertaining news cycle fodder that happens once in a while. A week from now nobody will care (very few already care) just like last time. Months or years from now UFOs will pop back into the news cycle for a little while and you will claim victory again even though it too will be a nothingburger and you were never right in your assessment. Some things are meant to repeat themselves. All that being said - UFOs is definitely a harmless topic you should spend more time on, in contrast to something like your Sandy Hook beliefs.

All the best.

If you weren't trolling itt then you have some kind of brain damage and yes anyone is indeed free to read this thread where you're repeatedly called by several posters on your repeated vagueness.

He is called out on that by multiple posters in every thread where he participates, so I admit I am a bit surprised he suggests otherwise. He typically is good enough to avoid obvious direct lies like that. Maybe today is a low qi day for him or something.

I thought he was being purposely vague as a form of trolling but maybe he's just weird like that.

It makes a lot more sense when you realize he is washoe with more self awareness and years more experience living the conspiracy lifestyle to achieve a relative comfort and balance with himself within that culture. Like washoe, he only actually trolls when he gets really frustrated when others troll him a lot in a way he does not enjoy, though washoe tends to do the self ban routine at that point, which I think Lucky only suggested 1 or 2 times for himself. I made the same mistake you did for a while in putting him on more complex behavior than was actually being used by him. Being vague is just standard operating procedure for conspiracy addicts on all things. Just how they are wired, it is rarely done as an intentional troll by them. A few of my riggie commandments from many years ago are about that quality of them. Anyway, back to the spooky UFOs!

There was nothing I was being vague about and I explained my position completely. I'll find the posts.

I think Monte already covered your position very accurately
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=351

If he does no the exact location of recovered crafts and tells in a classified hearing those object are long gone or buried where no one finds them.

The body language **** is bullshit. All that matters is the evidence he has that can only be shown behind closed doors.

He's claiming he never seen any craft or bodies not even photos, just that he was told this by sources who work on such programmes. Hearsay iow, which is par for the course in ufology. This is why I stated that this is ultimately nothing new, with the only difference being he's testifying to congress. And he doesn't come across as believable or honest to me so I very much doubt this will amount to anything.

The body language stuff aint bullshit, David Charles Grusch is an obvious liar

Unbelievable that he received a heroes welcome in the committee. Our government is nothing but theater.

Oh boy, you guys wait til you find out about Chris Bledsoe......

+1

Although Ross Coulthard claims one of his best contacts told him at least one of these things is so big they can't move it. Hence the checkmate nature of disclosure. there may be evidence they can't hide if they wanted to

He doesn't have any such evidence. He's a crank.