Try this one. Detailed timesramps are provided in the video description.

https://youtu.be/atntnU_baHc

That's an old video washoe. Start of the pandemic mania I posted to rebut the other posters view there would be no mayhem if the govt told us the planet was about to hit by asteroid that might cause an End Times event.

Ah ok that makes sense. Yeah all hell would break lose. Thats why these idiots would lie to us imo. Like they lied about the masks.

What is the prevailing conspiracy theory about how the Podesta et al wikileaks material does not show US involvement in ET goodies?

@luckbox, have you seen this new Netflix show about UFOs?

I have not but just googled about it....looks like some propaganda though.

It's sad that people might watch the JJ Abrams series and start a useful thought process, only to have someone point out that Abrams, for an example, cut and spliced astronaut audio in order to create a new fictional context for it.

Any sucker is fair game though, there's no accountability for using the word documentary, tidy cheque from Netflix to the bank.

And therefore people are going to go on permanent mass freakout when they know the asteroid of ultimate doom is coming? Well you ignored my arguments as to why that wouldn't happen and now you say it would because of a fight in Walmart. In case you hadn't noticed, in America we often escalate petty disputes into physical violence and that's been going on since way before the pandemic. You must have not seen the videos of fat Americans when the fast food place runs out of their favorite items. Employees are beaten because, through no fault of their own, they are unable to produce a box of chicken nuggets. You have to show me something above the baseline American lunacy.

Crime is actually down during the pandemic.

Look, almost everything is classified by default. If you ask someone currently serving where they're going next or what they're doing they'll probably be able to give you a country at best. You ask someone who's served in the past then they'll be free to talk about more as things become declassified. So why do some things become declassified? Typically because someone decides it no longer matters (if it ever did). Sometimes it's a freedom of information request, sometimes it's because it's in the public interest, but mostly it's because it doesn't really matter any more what some Gulf War soldier says about where they were. If you want to read something more into why some nothing video has been declassified then you're going to have to give me a good reason.

Actually, in this case the public did know about some of these UAPs. The big excitement has been that official channels have actually said "Yup, that is in fact one of our videos". I'm not sure that supports either side particularly (perhaps yours more than mine) but it's an important detail.

I think we have to be careful with our framing here. The Pentagon hasn't said about any individual video "This could be advanced technology of a foreign power". The report essentially says that some of the incidents in the report being explicable by some foreign power can't be ruled out. But then as I've said before, intelligence agencies tend not to be in the business of ruling anything out in UAPs. If they say "We know this isn't a foreign technology" then someone will take that to mean either: it's alien, or it's ours. It only drives speculation further. Rather the stance is typically what we've seen in the report, to say "This could be misperception of operatives, sensor glitches, mundane explanations (like a weather balloon), but we can't rule out the possibility of something else in all cases".

I'm not going to rule out the possibility that the various agencies involved are angling for something. Maybe it's as simple as making a bit of a stir continues to justify the US' insane military and intelligence spending in the public eyes. But then that's quite a mundane claim and I think stops a way short of what I'd call a "psy op" as opposed to fairly typical political tactics.

I don't really care about West beyond the maths he did.

It's so weird to me that you're now asking how anyone would even measure the speed of a UFO. It is, as you've said before, basic maths. You can tell distances in a video by focal length and zoom etc. This is why I asked if you had anyone who'd broken down the maths you can do from the camera display in the way West had done. It takes a bit of trig and that's about it.

Then I'm sure you won't mind giving me the timestamp yourself.

Poker players should know Reid is the proverbial bucket of snakes. His office was definitely for sale, but the people buying are repping companies who want ROI. There is no ROI in your explanation. There is also no explanation for the coordinated media blitz.

Lol at handwaving that away as a one off.

There was mass hysteria over toilet paper with hoarding and shortages across the world.

Its also not analogous with chicken nuggets because this is a shortage caused by universal hysterical spike in demand for a product that is not rational in its utility gain. Not food cans, not bottled water, not medicine, but toilet paper. Its not caused by the provider simply running out of stock for that day.

Your read is so far off its further away than the asteroid.

Your posts have a consistency in their accuracy.

If it's in the video, then cool, I'm all ears. But the reason I'm not going to search it myself is that experience tells me I'll be wasting my time more often than not. Granted you haven't been one to fire a load of links at me, but I know how talking conspiracies generally goes. I ask for something specific, someone throws articles and videos at me, and then as often as not it turns out that it's not even in there.

If it's easy to find you won't mind taking the two seconds to point me to it.

That is a great and very analogous RECENT example.

Fine if you think it won't happen again, but it did happen prior.

And what it shows is how people react to their fear of the unknown which can be much worse than how they react to the reality on the ground after the event. The reality on they ground after might be manageable. The supply chain might not, in fact, fall apart and thus people may stop fighting for toilet paper after.

But you better believe that if the pre covid fears of a supply chain, and basic supplies, being completed destroyed , as many feared and were reacting to in those toilet paper fights, had happened, then people would have continued to fight for all supplies.

It would just be silly to think that if the reality was that, that people would stop hording and fighting for supplies.

And it would be much worse if an asteroid was expected to hit that was predicted to be a planet ending event. No doubt.

The original media splash was all done thru the same circle of people tied to the
rich dude with bizs timed/set-up for it etc--I'd say that part was definitely coordinated. All the other outlets covering it after that is just a bunch of parrots doing what they do imo. The rich dude at least on some level seems to be a true believer--his motivations may very well have been to feel like he's exposing the 'truth' or something off in that direction related to stroking his ego even if for posterity only Though it's possible there are some financial aspects too with his spacepods. Old rich people chasing after/motivated by things related to potentially extending their life isn't exactly a new thing either and thinking something along those lines could be possible off in this direction could definitely count as a return well worth chasing after(vs say just more money etc).

Mass hysteria? No one's life was on the line. People can live without TP. Although I have to admit, life with an off brand bamboo TP, ass bleed factor 8/10, was no fun and I'm glad that's over.

My final argument is to consider what you would do if you thought there was a decent chance an asteroid was going to destroy the planet with you on it. Would you freak out and act totally different? I don't think I would, and I have come to accept that, even though I like to think of myself as different than the masses, in almost all measures I am not. And neither, most likely, are you.

Welcome back, Deuces!

Why thanks, Trolly. I know you mean that sincerely.

Your argument contradicts itself.

Of course people can live without toilet paper.

This did not stop numerous fights breaking out over toilet paper all over the world because a large % of the population was trying to hoard toilet paper.

Why were people hoarding and fighting over something they did not need.

Hysteria.

That people can live without toilet paper is one of the clearest arguments for hysteria not against.

Peoples lives being on the line has nothing to do with it.

Serious question.

Do you live in a cave completely shut off from society? Because you seem completely oblivious of the realities around the great toilet paper hoarding of Spring 2020.

It’s pretty boring so far. idk if they would make a psy-op boring.

Ya we would never agree on this.

Of course there would be mass hysteria if it was announces with anything nearing high probability, that an earth ending meteor was about to strike the earth in X days/weeks/months. On that I would bet all my, soon to be meaningless, money.

The idea that the planet could be driven into some type of dystopian Armageddon survive type situation for any persons who managed to survive the initial impact would lead to mass hording of everything perceived to be of value (food, weapons, etc) and the looting of said stores by others.

I think people would be tearing at one another and society would fall into near anarchy prior to the impact and post impact, for those that survived life would resemble the life in the movie The Road.

Shirley Maclaine, wtf?

Nothing to do with UFO's but he's been mentioned itt and this cracked me up.

Been following the Nimitz thing for years. The building, boiling pressure of truth as more and more witnesses came forward.

Then I got heavily into #UFOTwitter earlier this last year after the Pentagon report, and, gradually catching up with the history of ufology, grew genuinely impressed with how much professional + legitimate eye-witness/ whistleblower testimony actually exists now. A subject I used to instinctively shout 'bullshitt' at I could now see had a degree of smoke a rational mind cannot outright dismiss.

I've led a charmed life. 10 years ago I had a perfectly authentic alien encounter while high on LSD and DMT. Of course, it didn't prove anything beyond the fact that a human can physically and visually have that experience, but it did open my mind up to at least the possibility of just about anything being ultimately true. Aliens as much as anything.

Last month, learning about the CE5 crew (and thinking it obvious, provable BS), I decided to at least attempt summoning a UFO, just so I could say I had, while also half-assuming that if I looked up at the sky often enough over the course of my lifetime I would, probabilistically, likely see 'something' at some point.

And then, to my abject horror, I saw one. Within a few weeks of trying.

I woke up from a strange dream, totally sober, and immediately started looking at this funny star to the North outside my window that caught my eye (turned out to be 'Castor', a weird collection of stars). After doing that for a few minutes this red laser super drone star thing came out of nowhere and paused somewhat, before shooting off at about a 1 mile in 1.5 seconds to the West.

Before I could say the words 'what the **** is that!!?', it had turned and zipped off completely out of sight. It was, roughly, 2.5x brighter than a star, laser red, with a small red/orange circular glow. Totally solid and man-made wise could really only have been a drone. It definitely 'manoeuvred', and was static for just long enough for me to zero in on it's crystalline centre. But AFAIK even our best current drones can't fly that fast (nor ever in my rural area). Wild.

Anyway, I'm trying to find the right language to communicate the things I'm starting to seriously consider. I won't bullshit anyone. What I saw could well have been a somewhat self-induced hallucination incited by wishful thinking. I was, in some sense, 'trying' to see a UFO. But that doesn't change the fact that when it happened it was startling and totally realistic. It was definitely experientially 'real' and convincing to me. That much I can confirm 100%.

And for the record, i know the difference between a firework, a fireball and a plane. I'm a (relatively) amateur astronomer and regularly looking up at the stars so I'm used to regular sky stuff. This was not regular sky stuff.

So.. where I'm at with it is that 'the phenomenon' could be some kind of super creature/intelligence with perhaps the ability to affect humans. I can't believe I'm typing these words.

Send help, I want to unbelieve. But I would be lying at this stage.