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08-31-2022 , 06:25 PM
This addresses David Sklansky's issue about some form of financial compensation paid to the cis women who are now not making the money.


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Jamie Hunter is currently pocketing the prizes in women’s billiards and snooker. In the last two weeks, the 25 year-old has won both the World Women’s Billiards Championship and the US Women’s Snooker Open.

Hunter only joined the World Women’s Snooker Tour in 2021...


...Because while women are welcome to enter open competitions, they are clearly at a disadvantage. England’s Reanne Evans — described as “the most successful female snooker player of all-time” — is currently top of the women’s rankings but is simultaneously placed 115 in the list with men. ... cite


08-31-2022 , 08:34 PM
12th place! And this is your go-to example of trans women ruining sport! Just embarrassing to watch this clownshow.
08-31-2022 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
12th place! And this is your go-to example of trans women ruining sport! Just embarrassing to watch this clownshow.
lol.

Still riding this line of stupid.

Trolly you have to participate in events to raise your rank.

As a new player she had no rank until she started playing in events and with each win she rises up the ranking.

What you are saying is like mocking Michael Jordan for not setting the scoring record before he has played his first game.

YOu are not gifted these ranks Trolly. Be smarter.
08-31-2022 , 10:46 PM
I mean god forbid a non-biowoman becomes a top-ten player. The sport would be ruined!!!
08-31-2022 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
These are contradictory. In most weight loss surgeries aren't you removing a portion of a functioning organ? And might not some regret that in the future? Should weight loss surgery be taken off the table in that case?
Not contradictory; I have very mixed feelings about the types of weight loss surgery that remove organs as well. More recently I have known people who got the elastic bands or other methods that don't remove organs though.

But anyway, I wasn't trying to say that removing healthy organs is necessarily wrong, just that it makes me seriously question the idea of allowing young people whose brains have not fully matured to make such a permanent decision.
09-01-2022 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Sharing my opinion is "mansplaining"? I don't think you even understood the point of my post. I think sports are a large net negative to society, and the less sport that exists, the better. Partially because I think they contribute to the subjugation of women. Also because they started as a cultural celebration of war and conquest, and still contribute to war hawkish attitudes, the attitude that differences should be settled by physical confrontations, and the normalization of violence in society. Off topic, so not worth exploring more here, but if anyone really wants to start another thread about it then I'd be happy to participate there.
Yes and if your opinion became manifest in the world it would be the ultimate in mansplaining.

1. I am a women who enjoys sports very much and would like to play in an organised way with divisions.

2. Representative of the Chillrob authority: Sorry no divisions for women, we dont see the point, oh and its for your own good, because reasons.

Its fine to have opinions but you have to be very self reflective when proposing an opinion that is going to frustrate the lived experience and happiness of other human beings.

You might not enjoy sporting activity or see the point of it, but millions do.
09-01-2022 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Do not make the mistake of taking what Trolly says seriously. There are bad sports in both sexes, but the over whelming majority of men would not only be fine but celebrate if a top woman could compete and beat them in their sports. IF that billiards gal above could dominate the men's circuit, if there was a woman who could dominate men's volleyball, if women's curlers could beat men's, if women sprinters could beat the men, they would be welcome to play with the men and be huge marketing draws.

Unlike Trolly I actually played sport and that simply was not an issue when a woman was good enough to make it.
It is interesting that chess, billiards, other such activities are dominated by males. Even the video game I watch the only 2 high level women players are both trans.
09-01-2022 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Its fine to have opinions but you have to be very self reflective when proposing an opinion that is going to frustrate the lived experience and happiness of other human beings.
If my proposing an opinion frustrates your happiness, you need to stop taking the opinions of random people on the internet so seriously.
09-01-2022 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Metod Tinuviel
It is interesting that chess, billiards, other such activities are dominated by males. Even the video game I watch the only 2 high level women players are both trans.
It is not hard to understand really. Even darts is dominated by mne.

Number of participants focused on competing in the same area, followed by quality of infrastructure, dictates success at the highest levels more than any other factor amongst common opponents.

As they say, steal sharpens steal. And men just participate more, thus allowing for segregation into tiers (all star, elite, etc) where the best can face the best and so on.

I know two guys who were near identical in hockey and both thought to make the pro's. One guy got called up to the pro's and even though he rarely started his game just pulled away from his best buddies because he was now in a competitive field where he was now amongst the weaker guys on the team (pro team) and his buddy was stuck at a level where he was one of the best on the team.

Transwomen are the only group who throw this dynamic on its head. Without strength in numbers, they simply just dominate cis women sport at ridiculous levels.

Last edited by Cuepee; 09-01-2022 at 06:59 PM.
09-01-2022 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
If my proposing an opinion frustrates your happiness, you need to stop taking the opinions of random people on the internet so seriously.
Its what your opinion would do if its made manifest, you seem to be struggling with this.
09-01-2022 , 07:22 PM
Oh cool, so now we’re mad at trans women competing at anything at any level.
09-01-2022 , 10:15 PM
A top player speaks!


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Former World No1 Believes Women’s Game Could Die If Transgender Policy Isn’t Tightened

Former world No1 Maria Catalano claims that even in the non-physical arena of snooker men enjoy a significant advantage over women – and that in the wake of trans player Jamie Hunter’s success at the US Women’s Open in Seattle the rules on participation should be tightened to more closely mirror the policies of swimming and rugby that have banned those having transitioned.

Catalano, 40, is a five-time world championship runner-up and famously a cousin of record main tour seven-times world champion Ronnie O’Sullivan...

...And Catalano has not only threatened to quit, but even predicted the eventual demise of the women’s game unless further action is taken by the authorities. ...

...“We have fought so hard for our rights in the past – myself, Reanne Evans and others got people to write letters to allow us to play in leagues and clubs that banned women.

“I don’t believe that women can compete against men on a level playing field in sport. We are wired differently, we think differently. We are mentally different.

“There is a reason why they started a women’s tour. In the past Allison Fisher has tried it, so has Karen Corr, so has Kelly Fisher - top players - down to Reanne Evans who is the best woman player I have seen.

“And even she can’t crack it in the men’s – it just hasn’t happened. So I think over a long time it has been proven that women can’t compete with the men in snooker.

“I have asked myself the question as to why that is most of my life. But it is there as a fact, in black and white, right from the 1980s. The main tour is open to both, and nobody is stopping Jamie doing that. ..

...“People are making it out to be a hate thing, even those running the tournament in the USA put a #HateWontWin on social media. I thought that was disgusting.

“That absolutely broke my heart. It is not about hate. I have no problem with transgender people. It is their body and their lives, and they are at liberty to do what they want.

“This is only about how it affects other women in top-level sport and competition, and that’s why I am speaking out. It is causing conflict in our sport as it has in others, and you can’t just say anyone with a view is trying to generate hate. There is a principle here. ..

...“I would say 90 percent of the players on the Women’s Tour don’t agree with this being allowed to happen, from my conversations. I do believe 100 percent there is an advantage there even in snooker after transition, and so I would like to see the rules tightened up in our sport.

“As a man Jamie never really did anything. And if this is allowed and becomes more common, there is no future for women’s snooker. I don’t want to see the end of women’s sport, it has been too hushed up, and only now Jamie has won an event has it gone big.

“I would totally change the rules, and bring ours into line with some of those other sports that have banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s sport.

“And if this is allowed to happen, I will have to stop playing which would break my heart. It is just not fair, and biological women are being shut down by being told it is only a hate thing. And it isn’t."
09-01-2022 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
It is not hard to understand really. Even darts is dominated by mne.

Number of participants focused on competing in the same area, followed by quality of infrastructure, dictates success at the highest levels more than any other factor amongst common opponents.

As they say, steal sharpens steal. And men just participate more, thus allowing for segregation into tiers (all star, elite, etc) where the best can face the best and so on.

I know two guys who were near identical in hockey and both thought to make the pro's. One guy got called up to the pro's and even though he rarely started his game just pulled away from his best buddies because he was now in a competitive field where he was now amongst the weaker guys on the team (pro team) and his buddy was stuck at a level where he was one of the best on the team.

Transwomen are the only group who throw this dynamic on its head. Without strength in numbers, they simply just dominate cis women sport at ridiculous levels.
For sure, I think the interesting question is why men participate more? Even online games where no one knows your gender is like 90+% male.
09-01-2022 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
A top player speaks!
Sounds like a hater! She should just git gud. /s
09-01-2022 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Metod Tinuviel
Even online games where no one knows your gender is like 90+% male.
How exactly do you know this?
09-02-2022 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Women deliberately marketed sex in womens volleyball so that is why it sells there. I do not think that is the case with women's Billiards.

i used to go watch the Canadian Open tennis, each year. But I was far more interested in watching the women play mainly because they did not, then, have the dominant top tier of players and as such the matches were more even and hard fought out, and I found more intrigue in not knowing who would win.

I was never comparing the women athletes to the men, in terms of skill level, as I did not see them playing at the same time. I was comparing the women to the women they played. The matches were fantastic and there was no perceived loss of value imo because a man would hit the ball harder. It as all relative.
The whole power serve and put away game of the men might not be better (for fans) than longer rallies.
09-02-2022 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Its what your opinion would do if its made manifest, you seem to be struggling with this.
You seem to be struggling with the fact that someone with a unique opinion expressed on the internet is extremely unlikely to effect any change in the real world.
Also, the part that you find discriminatory was just a halfway point in my grand vision of the complete end of all competitive sports.
09-02-2022 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The whole power serve and put away game of the men might not be better (for fans) than longer rallies.
Always liked women's tennis better as they have lots of rallies. Short skirts don't hurt the cause either.
09-02-2022 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
You seem to be struggling with the fact that someone with a unique opinion expressed on the internet is extremely unlikely to effect any change in the real world.
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That is completely and utterly irrelevant.

The validity of an opinion is its effect if manifest, what is the point of an opinion if you are not measuring it as a reality.
09-02-2022 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
How exactly do you know this?
You are right I don't know this. I guess this based on the fact that the game I am into the top 200 players have 2 trans women and the rest are men.
09-02-2022 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Metod Tinuviel
You are right I don't know this. I guess this based on the fact that the game I am into the top 200 players have 2 trans women and the rest are men.
It sounds like their gender is actually known, then.
09-02-2022 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
You seem to be struggling with the fact that someone with a unique opinion expressed on the internet is extremely unlikely to effect any change in the real world.
Also, the part that you find discriminatory was just a halfway point in my grand vision of the complete end of all competitive sports.
It is a such a strange opinion, imo.

Which is fine as people can hold strange opinions. But i think i saw you in another thread again opining the end of all women's sport would be a positive in your opinion.

I am curious why you think that, if you care to elaborate?

We know a surprising percent of posters on this forum also have disdain for women's sport generally and would be fine seeing it ended (some say 'all sport') if trans women are not accommodated with the women's division, which shows they put very little value on the sport beyond its value to a trans person, but your position seems even more extreme than this.
09-02-2022 , 10:36 AM
War may have been the original team sport, but I don't think we can infer from that fact that all modern sports promote violence.

It's true that there is a competitive element to sports, but there is a competitive element to baking competitions and science fairs, and we don't assume that those activities promote violence.
09-02-2022 , 10:44 AM
Sports almost certainly provide an outlet for tribalism and competitiveness. And maybe help promote healthy exercise.
09-02-2022 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Sports almost certainly provide an outlet for tribalism and competitiveness.
Are you suggesting that sports are a healthy outlet that reduces spillover of inherent tribalism and competitiveness into less productive arenas, or are you suggesting that sports amplify tribalism and competitiveness outside the arena of sport?

      
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