That’s funny, I just read the silliest argument from a 2+2 poster. They didn’t realize that people regularly use the singular ‘they’ all the time in situations where the gender of the person was unknown.

it's a genuine thing, i do a lot of consulting so my work network is many people passing through that i'll interact with once or twice and never see again

i see it a lot, probably 1% but that's among the total population, if you isolated to people <35 i'd say that shoots up to 5-10% depending on the location, some companies i deal with it's business as usual, others all have pronoun declarations at the beginning of our first meetings

it's so much a thing that dating apps request it now, if you installed bumble or tinder for science you'd see it fairly frequently


i agree that it's definitely a conservative freak out though, you have people like my uncle who'll rant and rave about it despite that in his small town rural life only interacting with other small town rural people over 50 he's never come across it ever but he'll still go on and on about how stupid it is when not ranting about stolen elections and other nonsense

but it's a real thing and getting increasingly common, my sister and her husband are both hs teachers and they now need to introduce their pronouns to their students, the students give theirs as well, they both teach biology and say it's always touchy because when they state "no we're talking about sex not gender" they'll still get some blowback from the class and there are several openly trans kids at the school of a few hundred kids

It's more perverse to plan to overthrow the government and encourage mouthbreathing yokels to murder your vice president, but I understand someone who wants to be referred to as "them" can infuriate someone without the mental capacity to understand patriotism and the difference between right and wrong.

I get all that but this particular thread is a mile long now so I was curious of any legit happenings of folks being forced or mandated to address someone a specific way or if it was just some panicky slippery slope when some particular people are asking to be addressed differently from the norm.

I am not what you think. But what I find amusing is the right is kicking your guys asses because you play stupid games while they butt ****ing your country. The religious right are taking over and you fools are helping them.

Very quick to condemn and make assumptions without finding out why someone might feel a certain way. They stoke division as much as the right do.

Your opinion is irrelevant, though. Are you crying through life because you're a right wing aggrieved loser with hurt feelings or because you're copying what Tucker/Rogan/Fox is telling you to do?

No "They" aren't trying to overthrow democracy, what a hyperbolic, childish way of thinking. LOL. "They're as bad as the insurrectionists, guys!" What a load of unadulterated bullshit.

Um

People are totally fine at using they/them when the referent is a anonymous individual-- it's only when the sex (gender??) of the person is known that people will balk at 3sg pronouns.

Eg.
If someone wants to come at me I'll fight them
?? If Robert wants to come at me I'll fight them

I wasn’t disputing the numbers at all – I was interpreting them for you, seeing as you don’t seem to understand what “significance” means in a statistical context. And seeing as I have published both systematic reviews and meta-analysis in peer reviewed academic journals, I’ll assume my place as an expert on this topic, using your definition.

And what does small “in a vacuum” even mean lol?

All you have done here is highlight your own limited and blinkered thinking. There are literally dozens of questions you should and could ask to critically evaluate this topic to help you arrive at a conclusion. However, all have done is just worked backwards from your conclusion and found three questions that take you there.

...for spending the whole weekend arguing on the internet about a topic you know nothing about.

I'll leave the final word to Franz de Waal, who is arguably the foremost expert on primate behaviour.

None of this is a reply to the important facts that have been absolutely established beyond doubt.

The study you have rested your whole hypothesis on makes no claims to toy preference being a function of innate preferences.

That is a conclusion you have absolutely projected onto it.

The authors of said report make the following statement:

This is obviously not an open question if you try and use the study in the absolutely ham fisted bias filled way you have.

As regards primates.

Are you aware of the mountains of bullshit that humanity has attempted to give authority too via coz monkies?

Indeed invest more into that line of argument, please do, it wont be pretty.

If ever your position is reduced to coz monkies, that is total embarrassment.

And btw yes I spent a few hours outside under a parasol working on a laptop, and distracting myself on here.

Coz monkies and pissy biographical attacks are all you have left.

Stop twisting people's words around. You know what they meant!

I've deleted a bunch of recent flames from this thread. Act better in the future.

Consider the debate on what constitutes slurs or not over, stop using slurs for fun and stop posting videos and links to troll people.

And the people who have posted the same quarrel for hundreds of pages over several threads isn't doing the subject or discussion any favors.

I'm timing this thread out for a while so this message is received.