to protect from what ?
a small battalion ?

This is how partisanship works. The day before the handgun ban announcement you were criticizing Trudeau for not banning handguns. The day after you are saying these are largely useless. The "list of facts" didn't change, but what changed was the internal biases to what "list of facts" you expose yourself to that always support the anti-Trudeau position even if it means a whiplash from day to day. And there is a whole media ecosystem to support you in this so most of the time it isn't anything active about you, just the passive result of the partisan media you consume.

Obviously the death toll from handguns outdoes the death toll from assault rifles, even including the horrendous mass shooting in 2020. However that misses the point which is that an assault rifle is objectively far more dangerous than a handgun in the context of a mass shooting, as evidenced by any number in the US together with the one in Canada. This is why it is so crucial to ban assault rifles. However, as Trudeau is the one that banned assault rifles and not Harper, your partisanship will ensure you find the right "list of facts" to make you oppose this ban even as you call for a ban on handguns.

Do you really not see the tension at all?

where are the PC voter not outraged about the wasted of taxe payer money ?
Of course when it fits their wishes, it never is a waste ....

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...er-2022-06-22/

"The pipeline moves up to 300,000 barrels per day of oil from near Edmonton, Alberta to the Pacific coast in British Columbia, and the expansion would nearly triple capacity."

"The cost of expanding Trans Mountain has jumped to C$21.4 billion from C$12.6 billion, and its in-service date delayed by nine months to late 2023, Trans Mountain Corp said in February."

all of this for 300k barrels.
When i hear conservative claiming we wouldnt have high oil prices if we had more pipelines .
Or we could solve Russia lack of supply problems.

it would need what , 10 pipelines to reach 3 millions barrels ?
at what 10-20 billions each ?
And we are not even talking about the lack of refineries....another 10 billion each ?
and what would happened if the prices of oil would start falling ? (2015 bankruptcy of shale in US ?)

but the irony of hating trudeau because is against oil and yet his one of their better supporter by spending so much money for them....

ideology blindness....

Anyway, what i get from this is solving oil prices isnt that easy like the blaming narrative on all because of lack of pipelines....
Context: the cost of a pipeline would equal around 2-4 years of net profits from big corporations like suncor, if not more.
Not very enticing if you are not certain of mass profits for years ahead.

Have you seen the stats on Rural Crime? As well predators on your animals

Are you stupid that you can not read why I changed my mind? I changed my mind on facts that came out once the ban was announced. I had no clue how many sport shooters there were with pistols. As well I never knew to own a handgun was as complicated as it is and you still need to go through checks every two years for a handgun

we re talking about an ar-15 right ?

The rationalizations sort of don't matter. You started with an anti-Trudeau position. You finished with an anti-Trudeau position. This was always going to be the case. The fact that Trudeau did the exact thing you called for the next day and you went out to find new facts to justify change your position to be anti-Trudeau again is sort of incidental.

Look, maybe on this issue you are right and you are just being super objective responding to facts as you learn them. But I think it is worth really reflecting on the mechanism about how your mind always manages to seize the anti-Trudeau arguments at every turn in the road and the way selectively exposing yourself to lists of facts to justify them plays into that.

Have you ever fired an AR 15?

I think I did in Vegas ?
What does this have to do with anything ?

If u can’t protect yourself with a hand gun what makes u think a ar15 is better ?
Unless again …. U face a small battalion ?

What kind of danger a hand gun couldn’t protect u while a ar-15 would ?

It’s like why would u ever allowed someone to drive a truck if they can’t even drive a little scooter ?

The reason lozen thinks it is totally fine for Canadians to have AR-15s to protect themselves but that we should ban handguns is because Trudeau for a while banned AR-15s and didn't ban handguns and so lozen convinced himself to take the diametrically opposite opinion.

Politics and police investigations should always be separate and should not break from protocol for political reasons, especially one for the worst mass shootings in Canadian history.

Looked back a couple pages and if not already posted consider this your gift of the day lozen.

We should define some of the terms you keep repeating for clarity. What is an "assault rifle" to you? Why do you think "assault rifles" in Canada are more dangerous than a handgun? What about a AR-15 makes them so dangerous that you want them banned?

Hilarious

Well a pistol has less accuracy and is harder to shoot than an AR 15 .

If I was a homeowner and looking for a weapon for protection I would choose a shotgun first than a AR 15. If I lived on a rural property my weapon of choice would be a AR 15 .

Id have no interest in owning a pistol

You keep pounding this point even though I explained my change in positions. Unlike you I am open minded and when presented with a solid argument I will change my opinion. I did that also when I had said I would wait for the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. You presented me with a solid argument and I changed my mind

I think its a strong quality in a person that they can change their positions. I keep hearing anyone that votes for Trump is just an idiot and yet many of those folks have voted for Trudeau here in Canada

It seems like its weekly occurrence now for this government . Something Uke says is a waste of time. Even Lap Dog Singh said it was disgusting or something like that

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...393b3e4b37940c

Then practice more …..
Nothing , beside being in a war like Ukraine , justify a civilian owning a ar15 .
There is absolutely no danger u can face that justify a gun like that to defend yourself in a day to day life’s!

U suggesting defending yourself is about making sure to kill someone ?


Pro gun have a funny concept of mixing killling people with defending themselves .

I assume you live in the big city like Uke.

Tell that to a Rural individual were it may take hours for the RCMP to show up.

AS well its easier to conceal a pistol than an AR 15 . I am far from Pro Gun and do not own one myself.

I just think Canada's only gun issue is illegal guns.

i was born in northern quebec
yes people have some guns and think like that and it was just fine.

but no one ever did own gun like an ar15 for any reason whatsoever.

And again. a bullet is a freakn bullet.
its going to kill u !
if u cant defend yourself with an handgun, it would actually be an even bigger reason to not own an ar15...
its like hey, u cant drive a scooter but im sure it will be easier for u to driver an 12 wheel trucks because its heaver o0....

For the bolded part :
and what in the hell situation u think its justify owning an ar15 compare to a handgun in a rural environment and it would be better for waiting the rcmp .....?
it just blows my mind.
people watch way too many movies like 1980s commando....



hell, people were able to defend themselves vs wild animals and w.e else before guns actually existed and humanity did survive for 1000s of years....

A situation for Defending yourself by making sure to kill the "enemy" with big guns is called : a war .

It's so nice when you two try to answer each others questions.

If I get this straight, #teamlozen wants to keep the more dangerous weapons around and only ban the less dangerous ones while #teamshifty wants all guns to stick around? Maybe you two should sort that **** out?

See there is were you are wrong in many situations a pistol is harder to fire than a AR 15. A pistol usually has a slide mechanism were if you do not hold it right you can burn or rip your hand up.


When you live on a rural property to encounter meth heads or drunks trying to rob you. I believe in the Texas Law. You have the right to kill someone if they break into your home

Good Luck waiting on a RCMP officer when your home is being robbed in a rural setting many times they have illegal weapons as well

The most dangerous weapon is and always be an illegal weapon.

One thing that shocked me is in the USA a large percentage of gun deaths are by suicide

I am not sure how you determine one weapon is more dangerous than another?

Statistics would always say a illegally purchased gun. Id be curious if they keep stats in Canada on legally purchased guns. I know we had a trial were two men killed two Indigenous hunters on their land . Its very rare though

It's obvious Uke knows nothing about firearms. He determines what is dangerous by if it looks scary, is metal and assaulty.