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Originally Posted by lozen
Yet we so easily say Trump supporters are all racist and many drop that hint at conservatives
My bad bill 21
I can only imagine Trump running a winning and than proposes bill 21 for the USA
CNN & MSNBC would call him a racist
Im not saying all Quebecers are racist I just think the policy may be and the only leader that had the courage to say so was the Green Leader
Fwiw , here an opinion piece that I disagree with in a lot of places but had some good facts on why Quebec is like this toward religion in accordance with bill 21 .
https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magaz...ion-in-canada/
« Why, then, might “right-thinking” Québécois, who see themselves as tolerant, support the bill? A history lesson is in order.
Until Quebec’s Quiet Revolution of the 1960s, which took education out of the hands of the Catholic Church, French Quebec was for all practical purposes a theocracy, “that priest-ridden province.” Almost every Québécois of an older generation ─ especially women ─ has a horror story of how the church influenced their lives. For politically aware Québécois, freeing the province from the grips of the church was a necessary step on the road to modernity, to building a secular, more egalitarian society, freed from the evils of superstition. Among the visible changes brought by the Quiet Revolution was the sartorial transformation of school teachers, as the good sisters of the old teaching orders traded in their religious habits for more modern attire.
Religion came to be viewed in a new light, at least by many. It was seen as a social construct, to use sociological jargon, that a society, and thus also individuals, can choose to adopt or to discard.
After all, did not the majority of Québécois choose to cease practising their ancestral religion after the Quiet Revolution? Studies that measure religious practice suggest that the once priest-ridden province is now the most secular society in North America, a paradox that will undoubtedly not escape the reader.
Quebec’s history has, in short, shaped a distinct perspective on religion: a more detached, less indulgent view than is the North American norm.
If I may be forgiven a bad pun: religion in Quebec is less sacred. If Quebec were to print its own currency, the motto “In God We Trust” that is inscribed on every U.S. greenback would be unthinkable. »
« Religion and race
Which brings me back to Bill 21. If the state is to be truly secular, does it not follow that the state should ask its servants, notably those in situations of authority, to refrain from displaying religious convictions? Why is this different from asking them not to display political convictions? Is it not imperative that citizens be assured that civil servants are unprejudiced in their regard?
Here, let me quote Boucar Diouf, an astute observer of Quebec society who it would be difficult to accuse of racism or Islamophobia: “How would an immigrant of Palestinian origin, contesting a conviction, feel in front of a judge wearing a kippah? Inversely, how would a young driver wearing a kippah feel faced with a policewoman wearing a hijab who just gave him a ticket?” (My translation). Clearly Diouf does not view Bill 21 as an abomination ─ not without fault, perhaps, but not intrinsically discriminatory or racist. »
Canadians need to realize religion in Quebec wasn’t the same results as them….
Probably why as well division occurred in the Catholics church about how to practice religion right ?
The Protestant are obviously to me far better but anyway ..
People complain about the story with native boarding school where many death children were discover in the beginning of the 1900 right ?
Well all that **** did happen to Québécois as well, lead by religion management too prior to the 1960 …
Religion in Quebec have a huge lasting bad history with religion .
An example :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans
« The Duplessis Orphans (French: les Orphelins de Duplessis)
were 20,000 Canadian children[1] who were wrongly certified as mentally ill by the provincial government of Quebec and confined to psychiatric institutions in the 1940s and 1950s. The children were deliberately miscertified in order to misappropriate additional subsidies from the federal government. »
« The Duplessis Orphans have accused both the government of Quebec and the Roman Catholic Church of wrongdoing. »
« The authors made a conservative estimate
that religious groups received $70 million in subsidies (measured in 1999 dollars) by claiming the children as "mentally deficient", while the government saved $37 million simply by having one of its orphanages redesignated from an educational institution to a psychiatric hospital. »
The whole point in all of this is simple :
It has nothing to do with people in particular , it’s about ejecting religion in key post in the government.
For all citizens ! Including us ….
And for your point Trump and the implementation of bill 21 is impossible .
They could never let go their own religion .
Dont Forget , bill 21 eradicate ALL religion from certain jobs in the government in position of power .
Trump would probably love to do the same while KEEPING their own religion ….
It is massively different .
All Quebec wants is too keep religion private in certain government position , that’s all.
Last edited by Montrealcorp; 10-09-2021 at 01:40 PM.
