lol softwood lumber dispute with Canada been a continuing thorn in the relationship since what, the 1990s at least? Ah yes but clearly Biden hates the US.

The most recent flood would be considered the 3rd major flooding of the area, the largest was in 1894 and then another one 1948.

No, they constantly worry about flooding they have designated flood plans, counsels, engineer consultations,over 600km of dykes and 100 pump stations. Governments have had numerous studies and consultations done but failed to act on being told the dykes were to low.

https://theprovince.com/news/local-n...g-flood-threat

But why would government have to be competent when they can just blame climate change.


Cool story bro, cite or ban that weather events are becoming more extreme or that humans are at greater risk?

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-sp...e-this-year-3/

Categorically wrong. The complete opposite happened, humans flourished and have never been safer from the environment (thanks to fossil fuels).

Right, I agreed with you that they constantly worry about flooding; that doesn't change the fact that it was a relatively rare event. But not unprecedented, as we have both pointed out. And I would also agree that there were some failures that need to be fixed for the future. Of course none of that addresses the fact that the issues weren't limited to the Fraser Valley - not even close.

So you're asking me to cite something I never claimed? I'll pass, thanks. I suspect there are more extreme events taking place, but haven't done enough research to make that claim, and I think it's a claim that would need to be very specific. As for humans being at greater risk, that's probably on the decline in recent times simply because we've gotten much better at dealing with disasters, saving lives, etc. But if the number of disasters truly are increasing and continue to do so, that may outpace improved outcomes.

I wasn't particularly serious about my "cite or ban" request; it was a ridiculous request meant to poke fun at your own. I don't know what the point of your link was; your claim was that those were predictions from "people who have never been right." Good luck citing that.

It's terribly sad but I don't think you would see any government spend dollars today to fix a problem like this tomorrow.

It does not matter if the cost of repair and buttress is one one thousandths of repair and rebuild, as that is just taxpayer money anyway so each stripe of government crosses their fingers and just hopes it does not break on their watch. Please leave it to the next government.

And that is because governments get so little credit for fixing things like that which are not broken yet and they eat up budgets better used on buying votes and rewarding backers.

Sad.

That speaks to probably the biggest weakness of almost all governments - long-term spending. And in a lot of ways, it's hard to blame them; governments are usually punished rather than rewarded for spending a lot of money now for a benefit that we won't see for many years. Or for benefits that aren't obviously visible, like longer-term improved health outcomes, or better emergency preparedness. Until enough people demand that their money be spent on longer term solutions, it probably won't happen.

And that isn't to let politicians off the hook entirely; a great government would say **** the political consequences, we're going to forge ahead with this even though it means we'll lose the next election. But that's a lot to expect. And it also isn't foolproof, because if that long-term solution pisses people off enough, they may elect a new government on a promise to reverse said solution.

While I'm not advocating for one, this is where a "benevolent dictatorship" would be a better form of government - when you don't have to worry about being reelected, you can think longer term!

Right, so using this event to push apolocolypic climate change fear mongering is mendacious.


I asked a couple of posters in particular and you responded to my post, I apologize for assuming you had something of substance to add to the discussion.

Why do you think we've gotten much better at dealing with disasters?

I was responding to a post about scientific papers predicting catastrophic climate change, much like the examples in the link I posted.

Awesome shifty .
You take prediction from 50 years ago from biologist with no expertise on climate to prove science is wrong 50 years later.
Priceless .

And I’m sure science did not evolve in the last 50 years either .
Hell you had to go to the tv to rise or lower the sound .
Btw the sky isn’t blue .

Again 1 event , paper , claim , etc. as no value if not back up by multiple empirical data studies ….

But hey if you think deforming how real science works so you can sleep well at night , it’s all good .
But with the kind of logic you use , I’m not surprise you see fake news all over the place …

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58396975

« The number of weather-related disasters to hit the world has increased five-fold over the past 50 years, says the World Meteorological Organization. »

« But improvements to warning systems have helped limit the number of deaths. »

« Over two million people died as a result of these hazards, with economic losses amounting to $3.64 trillion ».

« Reported losses in the decade between 2010-2019 were around $383m per day, a seven-fold increase on the $49m per day between 1970-1979 ».

Great. Maybe you should use that reply for people who are actually doing such a thing, rather than erecting the same strawman here for...I'm not sure if this is 3 or 4 posts now.

LOL @ you trying to call anyone else out for not adding substance to this discussion.

Someone gave you an article in response to one of your first silly "cite or ban" responses. You dismissed it and added another "cite or ban", I suggested that "if you want to take issue with some of assertions in there, go ahead and do so", and you reply with...another "cite or ban". So my question is...what discussion? There is no discussion happening here, just a lot of you dismissing things and posting "cite or ban".

Before I respond, are you asking why I believe that we have gotten much better, or why we have gotten much better?

No I do not hate Biden I may have hated one person in my life

Though Under Biden
He cancelled Keystone While approving Nordstrom
Allowed only rebates on US made Electric cars shutting out CDN plants
Slow to open the border
Highest Tarifs ever on Soft wood lumber

He also has a terrible approval rating with all voters including democrats


AS for the flooding I get bailing out folks once but at some point if you build on a flood plane your setting yourself up for disaster and accept responsibility if something happens

Yup.

This is a big part of the 'Originating Purpose' of gov't. The 'Citizen Public Servant' who entered politics not for fame, glory or riches, as you could get a lot more of that in the Private sector if you were talented back then, and instead a person looking to do good for the country even it might not be popular.

That has all changed now that Politics is a celebrity job that pretty much guarantees any one who wants to follow a certain path (be a corporate stooge) will retire a multimillionaire and go on to make even more millions after their retirement as a lobbyist.

Now, due to that the job attracts people who see this as their best (and for many 'only') way to get rich and powerful and as such they put keeping the job and power above all else.

Tell them it will cost $1/sqft of tax payer money to fix and repair those dykes and levees now or it will cost $10,000 per sqft of taxpayer money later to repair all the devastation and rebuild then, oh and lots of lost lives ... and those in power today almost always choose the latter. Not directly, they just hold their nose, push it down the road, while registering a quiet prayer of 'Please let it hold up for my watch and not break until the next gov't has power'.

That sounds like hyperbole but it is not. Time and time again these Politicians are given reports (Army Corp of Engineers saying 'It is a Matter of Time before the New Orleans dykes and levees break) that make it crystal clear this devastation is coming, the politicians read these reports and the only bet they consider is 'can i get by with it NOT breaking on my watch'. That is it. As long as it happens on someone elses watch, then push it down the road.

Aghh good Ole Justin allowing all his MP's to hide at home even though they are all vaccinated and wear masks and no one is allowed in parliament unless vaccinated

So now his MP's will hide behind Zoom screens

Weird since he was out partying in Scotland last week without a mask

I suspect that you may not like Trudeau...

All the best.

Troll is back.

Yes one of the worst PM's in history

Merry Christmas

How is it trolling? Nearly every post of yours is like an obsessed stalky one about Trudeau. It seems to be your thing, so pointing it put is less trolling and more observation. Seriously, how should anyone take your next weird anti-Trudeau post after you have done hundreds of them. We get it - you do not like Trudeau.

All the best.

I thought he was referring to himself, trolling Trudeau as he does pretty much daily.

For a guy who apparently isn't conservative, I've always found his troll list interesting: Trudeau, Biden, Harris, Newsom...

Lol at how in lozenland pretty banal and sensible procedural rules allowing remote voting in a pandemic are called "hiding". Are the millions of people who now regularly use remote options for meetings etc all "hiding" as well or is it just when your mortal enemy does it that you get mad?

WOW.

Crazy how political this is. Yes, there are a few lefty alternative anti-vaxxer types, but let's just be clear precisely where the majority of nut-job anti-vaxxers are in the country. You voted in good company lozen!

Not sure how the PPC matters much, as its safe to assume 10% of adults will be mega derps anyways, and that is their current party of choice. I suspect the Conservative Party numbers will change in the future - that one is the one to keep an eye on.

No I point out all his policies that I feel are idiotic and make no sense from a science point of view or common sense.

Hey if you feel yes we should not hold parliament in person due to a pandemic than do you not think sending over 200 people to a climate conference in what wise a higher case count of the pandemic is responsible?
Also as the leader partying in a bar in Scotland without a mask is not a great look for the woke PM



Merry Christmas

I get that people with your type of obsessive approach to these things has no clue how you come off when you do your obsessive approach, because it all seems normal in your head, but in the end you do have a pretty clear pattern of behavior, but I cannot really pretend to care about it (not my issue) other than pointing it out once in a while in passing. I don't have any expectation that you can or will change or become self aware of it.

All the best.

I agree Imagine I like my politicians to actually do what they say. Reminder I am as critical of Kenney as well.

Reality is the 6-7 of us that post here we all know their clear definitions on politics and only a few of us are not like many Americans one party no matter what

I already agreed that what you imagine about how you present yourself is accurate to yourself.

All the best.

The cons are endlessly trying to connect the inflation happening around the world to the liberals political choice to have a rhobust economic stimulus during the pandemic. They even have a stupid #justinflation hashtag I’m sure shifty will share the tweets soon enough.

So just a friendly reminder that this narrative is just BS: https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politi...rnor-1.5683699

Of course lozen will vote for the lying liars over and over and over again.

Please show me were I have ever said inflation is caused by liberal stimulus.


So you say you did not vote for a liar last election?