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05-25-2021 , 06:34 PM
BC announced their big restart plan - I'm excited!

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Step 1: May 25

60% of adult population with Dose 1
COVID-19 cases stable, hospitalizations stable
Maximum of five visitors or one household allowed for indoor personal gatherings
Maximum of 10 people for outdoor personal gatherings
Maximum of 10 people for seated indoor organized gatherings with safety protocols
Maximum of 50 people for seated outdoor organized gatherings with safety protocols
Recreational travel only within travel region (travel restrictions extended)
Indoor and outdoor dining for up to six people with safety protocols
Resume outdoor sports (games) with no spectators, low-intensity fitness with safety protocols
Start gradual return to workplaces
Provincewide mask mandate, business safety protocols and physical distancing measures remain in place
Return of indoor in-person faith-based gatherings (reduced capacity) based on consultation with public health

Step 2: Mid-June (June 15 – earliest date)

65% of adult population with Dose 1
Cases declining, COVID-19 hospitalizations declining
Maximum of 50 people for outdoor social gatherings
Maximum of 50 people for seated indoor organized gatherings (banquet halls, movie theatres, live theatre) with safety protocols
Consultation process to prepare for larger indoor and outdoor gatherings with safety protocols
No B.C. travel restrictions – check local travel advisories
Indoor sports (games) and high-intensity fitness with safety protocols
Spectators for outdoor sports (50 maximum)
Provincewide mask mandate, business safety protocols and physical distancing measures remain in place

Step 3: Early July (July 1 – earliest date)

70% of adult population with Dose 1
Cases low, COVID-19 hospitalizations declining
Provincial state of emergency and public health emergency lifted
Returning to usual for indoor and outdoor personal gatherings
Increased capacity for indoor and outdoor organized gatherings, with safety plans
Nightclubs and casinos reopen with capacity limits and safety plans
New public health and workplace guidance around personal protective equipment, physical distancing and business protocols

Step 4: Early September (Sept. 7 – earliest date)

More than 70% of adult population with Dose 1
Cases low and stable (contained clusters), COVID-19 hospitalizations low
Returning to normal social contact
Increased capacity at larger organized gatherings
No limits on indoor and outdoor spectators at sports
Businesses operating with new safety plans
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Got my second Phizer dose last weekend. Pumped for them to lift the mask rules now.
Awesome - congrats! They're starting to roll out more second dose booking invitations here as well.
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05-25-2021 , 07:32 PM
Yup great news. And just released almost 65% adults vaccinated in BC, sub 300 case count. Finally starting to feel normal, and in a couple weeks when the immunity from my shot last week rises can start relaxing a bit more for sure.
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05-26-2021 , 08:36 AM
Congrats Dino, let us know if you feel any side effects and what? Pfizer is not particularly known for tough side effects but still its good data.


Re the BC re-opening I don't get the absolute # being used for the indoor scaled up re-opening. 10 people in a coffee shop with seating for 12 is close proximity and a lot. 10 people in a dining hall that seats 400 is nothing.

If should be by percent capacity of the establishment. So 10 or 20 or X% of their license capacity instead as that is where the danger is posed.
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05-26-2021 , 09:32 AM
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Congrats Dino, let us know if you feel any side effects and what? Pfizer is not particularly known for tough side effects but still its good data.


Re the BC re-opening I don't get the absolute # being used for the indoor scaled up re-opening. 10 people in a coffee shop with seating for 12 is close proximity and a lot. 10 people in a dining hall that seats 400 is nothing.

If should be by percent capacity of the establishment. So 10 or 20 or X% of their license capacity instead as that is where the danger is posed.
I like it as they can always pull back on it. It gives folks hope.

Now MB is in deep trouble watching Global National last night and they are sending patients out of province to Sask and Ontario and of all places North Dakota is being used.

Congrats on the second shot. A buddy here got his second Pfizer after 4 weeks age of 40 by going on a wait list at an inner city pharmacist and got called two hours after adding to the list
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05-26-2021 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Re the BC re-opening I don't get the absolute # being used for the indoor scaled up re-opening. 10 people in a coffee shop with seating for 12 is close proximity and a lot. 10 people in a dining hall that seats 400 is nothing.

If should be by percent capacity of the establishment. So 10 or 20 or X% of their license capacity instead as that is where the danger is posed.
it’s confusing. My understanding is that these rules are for how many people in a group or party can go together to a restaurant say. The rules for restaurant capacity are now reverted back to the pre-circuit breaker rules and are as you ask a capacity thing. So an enormous venue could have many such small groups (I think?)
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05-26-2021 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Congrats Dino, let us know if you feel any side effects and what? Pfizer is not particularly known for tough side effects but still its good data.
Meh, sore arm and a little tiredness first day. By 11am on day 2 I was 100%.

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Re the BC re-opening I don't get the absolute # being used for the indoor scaled up re-opening. 10 people in a coffee shop with seating for 12 is close proximity and a lot. 10 people in a dining hall that seats 400 is nothing.

If should be by percent capacity of the establishment. So 10 or 20 or X% of their license capacity instead as that is where the danger is posed.
Really it should be tied to ventilation. For places with poor ventilation 4 people who are 20' apart could get covid from one another. For places with good ventilation 40 people in the same place would be perfectly safe.

Hope Alberta follows an even more aggressive pace than BC. Our R value is 0.67 now and cases dropping fast. Covid is a dead virus walking imo.
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05-26-2021 , 12:33 PM
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Meh, sore arm and a little tiredness first day. By 11am on day 2 I was 100%.
Thx.

That is same as I had for first pfizer shot so i hope that remains the case after shot 2 for me.

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Really it should be tied to ventilation. For places with poor ventilation 4 people who are 20' apart could get covid from one another. For places with good ventilation 40 people in the same place would be perfectly safe.

Hope Alberta follows an even more aggressive pace than BC. Our R value is 0.67 now and cases dropping fast. Covid is a dead virus walking imo.
Absolutely agree. Ventilation is 100% the issue.

I still remained surprised that Health Canada and the CDC do not 'strongly recommend' the use of many indoor fans in indoor settings and 'windows' kept open.

Just keeping the air moving and exchanging will make it much harder for the aerosol to build up to a point of contagion.

I don't think there is any way to regulate around ventilation but it certainly should be a key guideline, especially to keep staff safer who are forced to linger in a place as breath concentrations build up.
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05-26-2021 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Re the BC re-opening I don't get the absolute # being used for the indoor scaled up re-opening. 10 people in a coffee shop with seating for 12 is close proximity and a lot. 10 people in a dining hall that seats 400 is nothing.

If should be by percent capacity of the establishment. So 10 or 20 or X% of their license capacity instead as that is where the danger is posed.
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it’s confusing. My understanding is that these rules are for how many people in a group or party can go together to a restaurant say. The rules for restaurant capacity are now reverted back to the pre-circuit breaker rules and are as you ask a capacity thing. So an enormous venue could have many such small groups (I think?)
Seems like a couple different things are being conflated here.

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Step 1: May 25

60% of adult population with Dose 1
COVID-19 cases stable, hospitalizations stable
Maximum of five visitors or one household allowed for indoor personal gatherings
Maximum of 10 people for outdoor personal gatherings
Maximum of 10 people for seated indoor organized gatherings with safety protocols
Maximum of 50 people for seated outdoor organized gatherings with safety protocols
Recreational travel only within travel region (travel restrictions extended)
Indoor and outdoor dining for up to six people with safety protocols
So I'm fairly sure the only thing that applies to coffee shops, restaurants, etc. is the last item there - no more than six people are allowed to dine together, and we're supposed to be limiting that to our own household, and/or our "bubble" of up to 10 others we're also allowed to have outdoors for personal gatherings. Outside of that, there are numerous rules that they have to follow which will limit their capacity, and of course would be closely related to their size.

The "Maximum of 10 people for seated indoor organized gatherings with safety protocols" is related to general gatherings, events, meetings, etc. Again, if a facility is too small even for that number, other restrictions will supersede that number - it's just a limit that would override in cases of facilities that could otherwise accommodate a larger number than 10 with appropriate distancing and safety protocols. In other words, even if your meeting room can accommodate 50 people with appropriate spacing, you can still only have 10. If it can only accommodate 6, then 6 is all you can have. This is reflected here:

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Provincewide mask mandate, business safety protocols and physical distancing measures remain in place
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05-26-2021 , 01:24 PM
Hope you are correct but it should say "groups no larger than 6 people with safety protocols'.

As I read it, it certainly is limiting any establishment to 6 people which would be silly. So I assume you are correct and I assume they just thought everyone would read it that way and not literally as i did.
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05-26-2021 , 01:41 PM
The document I've quoted all that from is nothing more than a summary of their restart plan - there are other documents out there that go into a lot more detail of the actual protocols behind it. The "groups no larger than 6" should be extremely clear to anyone in BC, as it's been the rule since...well, I feel like it's been since dining was reopened last spring/summer.

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PHO order on restaurants, pubs and bars

Indoor and outdoor dining is allowed with capacity limits based on physical distancing requirements and other rules, including a maximum of 6 people at a table (not restricted to your household or bubble).

You must wear a mask when not at a table
Events are prohibited

Restaurants, pubs and bars must have a COVID-19 Safety Plan and employee protocols in place. WorkSafeBC will be conducting inspections to verify that COVID-19 Safety Plans remain effective. Establishments that are non-compliant with plan requirements may face orders and fines, and possible referral to public health which may result in a closure order.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/c...s%20in%20place.
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05-26-2021 , 02:15 PM
Alberta on a 3-stage reopening process with all restrictions probably lifted by July 1.

Thank the f*cking gods.
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05-26-2021 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Alberta on a 3-stage reopening process with all restrictions probably lifted by July 1.

Thank the f*cking gods.
Looking forward to a great Alberta summer, stampede and no more masks!
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05-27-2021 , 09:24 AM
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Looking forward to a great Alberta summer, stampede and no more masks!
I like that he links it to vaccine rates as well may encourage a few more folks
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05-27-2021 , 10:15 AM
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I like that he links it to vaccine rates as well may encourage a few more folks
The current projected date to hit 70% is June 14th. Shouldn't be an issue. Which is not bad since apparently it's a province full of anti-vaxxers.
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05-27-2021 , 11:44 AM
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Looking forward to a great Alberta summer, stampede and no more masks!
Masks is the one really good thing I hope we won't abandon completely. Asian cultures treat it as basic respect to wear a mask if you have symptoms of illness, and this would be a great thing for us to adopt here as well, not just for covid but for flu and other illnesses. Sadly, so many people seem desperate to get back to "normal" I think they are going to take 100% mask wearing down to 0% instead of 5% like it really should be.
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05-27-2021 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Masks is the one really good thing I hope we won't abandon completely. Asian cultures treat it as basic respect to wear a mask if you have symptoms of illness, and this would be a great thing for us to adopt here as well, not just for covid but for flu and other illnesses. Sadly, so many people seem desperate to get back to "normal" I think they are going to take 100% mask wearing down to 0% instead of 5% like it really should be.

I think your wrong on this one. Once masks restrictions are lifted I think you will still see more folks wearing them. My attitude towards that is the same as folks driving alone in your car with a mask. If it rocks your boat go for it. As well I think a business still has the right to require you to wear a mask as well
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05-27-2021 , 12:51 PM
Hopefully!
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05-27-2021 , 02:31 PM
NDP Leader gets caught breaking the rules. Another example of a politician that believes he only needs to follow them when the cameras are on

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp
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05-27-2021 , 08:47 PM
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05-27-2021 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
NDP Leader gets caught breaking the rules. Another example of a politician that believes he only needs to follow them when the cameras are on

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp
This is why no one should be paying these COVID fines.
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05-27-2021 , 08:49 PM
Federal panel has recommended ditching the hotel quarantine. Says the gov should not impose country specific testing or quarantine. Also lays out some vague guidelines for vaccinated vs unvaccinated travellers

Ofc this was always political and never based in science, so I doubt it'll go away anytime soon. Hopefully it'll be gone by sept

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nada-1.5445641

Last edited by nutella virus; 05-27-2021 at 08:58 PM.
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05-27-2021 , 11:38 PM
Lol at Kenney always trying to claim credit for the most irrelevant things. Alberta got the exact same number per capita of any other province. All the provinces are delivering effectively all vaccines every week. Saying you are ~*number one*~ at second doses just means you are getting less vaccines as first doses.

But remember the point of tweets like this isn't to make sense, it is to get the few far right partisans who still support the guy to have some fodder
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05-28-2021 , 02:14 AM
Remains of 215 children found at a former residential school in bc. Justin should slap on some of his favorite brown face makeup and go on abt how sanctimonious canada is

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/remains...mbia-1.5446259
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05-28-2021 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Federal panel has recommended ditching the hotel quarantine. Says the gov should not impose country specific testing or quarantine. Also lays out some vague guidelines for vaccinated vs unvaccinated travellers

Ofc this was always political and never based in science, so I doubt it'll go away anytime soon. Hopefully it'll be gone by sept

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nada-1.5445641
The idea of quarantining people arriving has a scientific basis, however it remains to be seen if the Health and Safety ministers will admit that the hotel quarantine and reporting roll-out has been a debacle from the beginning.

At least they're consistent in their incompetence: the dithering on making a decision on vaccination 'passports' guarantees that when they finally do roll them out, it'll cost more and satisfy no one.
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05-28-2021 , 11:28 AM
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Remains of 215 children found at a former residential school in bc.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/remains...mbia-1.5446259
This is incredibly horrifying.
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