Nobody.

AOC wins, but Rittenhouse fatally shoots her in self-defense.

AOC kicks him in the balls and he pulls out his AR 15 and laughs hysterically "joke's on you, *****, I don't have any balls!"

They'll be on the same ticket I would expect.

Victor is right. You're wrong. I've hired 4 people who were convicted of felonies, two of whom served more than 5 years in prison.

Victor and Microbet are right; Land O Lakes is wrong.

Rittenhouse can't run for President until 2036; AOC will probably give it a shot (pun intended) before then.

That would be like the modern version of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Well yeah, swinging hammers or cooking mushy food for old people is what your average ex-con did before becoming a con and is what he or she will do after becoming a con. That is a low-risk, economical employment opportunity for employers. If you're doing it purely for philanthropic reasons, then kudos. Care to list their offenses, and how long they were out of the joint before you hired them?

But what I meant is how many lawyers and doctors here are going to hire newly released ex-cons to handle documents in their offices? Likely none. They're going to keep getting denied until they wind up swinging hammers or cooking mushy food for minimum wage.

There are many successful paralegal training programs for prisoners. Like, it’s not hard to look this up, you could do that before assuming everyone else is as biased as you.

Can you please elaborate on the quoted? I would like to discuss this statement.

By "elaborate", I mean:

- What do you think leads people to prison?
- What do you think people do in prison?
- What do you think people do when they get out of prison?

Thanking you preemptively for taking the time to answer my questions.

I didn't seek out people with criminal records to hire, but I didn't discriminate against them either. I did teach a class for people just out of prison, and my wife taught in prison.

Of the two who spent time in prison one was in for transporting meth. He had been an addict and transported meth to get money for meth. Sad story. He was not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. He was not caught transporting. He quit meth and got really into Jesus and then a year or so later someone else got arrested that named him. Being all high on Jesus he just copped to everything he did and his reward was 5 1/2 years in prison. He was a few years out when he worked for me - for about 4 years. The other guy just worked on one big project and I don't know all the details of his record. He was in for over 8 years and what he said about it was "I know one thing. When someone shoots at you, you shoot back". So, I imagine he shot someone. He was very tattooed - gang looking tattoos. Both these guys were good workers and the guy who worked with me for years is a very fine person as well. (not that the other guy isn't, I just didn't know him as well)

The other two people who worked for me who had felonies on their records, but didn't go to prison were for a) bar fight b) some violent incident where he went to retrieve stuff that people he knew stole from him. Another guy who worked for me spent 1 1/2 years in jail for "terrorist threats" because he threatened to kill a grown man who beat up his 16yo cousin - and it wasn't really a credible threat. He would have kicked the guy's ass, but that's it. He spent so long in jail because of bureaucratic mistakes and his being not wealthy and Black. He is also a great guy.

And none of this was minimum wage. The short term guy was a temp and I didn't pay him directly. He made better than minimum though. The people who I mentioned who worked directly for me made from $17-$32/hr.

You’re an angel microbet.

Thanks, and I am pretty nice, but you have to be kind of a jerk to not hire people just because they've been in jail/prison and you're going to get a lot of applicants who have in construction.

And, that guy who spent 1 1/2 years in jail....no conviction for anything. He was in jail, couldn't get bailed out, waited for trial for 1 1/2 years and it was just dismissed. He had no record.

The two guys who had felonies, but didn't go to prison...they got their felonies expunged and then went to work at SpaceX. Elon wouldn't hire them before that because he's a jerk. I tried to keep both of them, and paid more than SpaceX, but they were sold on benefits I couldn't compete with.

eta: Misremembered..one guy went to SpaceX and the other to SolarCity, which had some relation to Elon as well.

Lol, you bought that?

Anyone who sits in jail for 1.5 years and can't bail out because their bail is too high, it's usually for a crime of violence or for moving a lot of weight. If the charges get dropped after 1.5 years, it's because his lawyer won a motion to suppress evidence, not because he is factually innocent.

I knew a guy who hired a few ex cons. HVAC work. Pretty lucrative. I think they make almost as much as a file clerk.

I also know quite a few guys who swing hammers for and a few chefs. One works in an old folks home. None are criminals.

So many personal attacks on hammer swingers. Something should be done.

- bad lawyer?
- prison stuff?
- try to stay out of prison?

I'm not sure that's satisfactory, so please narrow it down a bit.

Thanks for the detailed response.

These are harmless guys, I agree. Kudos on giving them a gig and teaching a class for newly released felons and paying market value.

What percentage of your applicants have a criminal record of some sort?

Have you hired anyone that you wouldn't be comfortable bringing into your home for dinner?

Sure - I'll narrow it by saying explicitly what I was implying, which is that you are a bigot. Other than that, I'm not sure how narrow you want to get.

Answer me one question - when you hear that someone has been to prison, what is your gut reaction for what it's for?

Okay, so I read you right?

In general? In the US, petty drug offenses (which shouldn't be criminalized to begin with). You?

I'd say it's for violent crimes or moving significant weight.

It was a bit of a trick question, the vast majority of people who are incarcerated are there for petty, ****, for sure, but they are in jails, not prisons.

Serious question: Have you actually had a conversation with at least six Republicans in the past six years? And, if so, how did you conclude that they were "Nazi's"?

This self-disclosure will no doubt annoy the partisans, but I've had/have friends who were/are Republicans, Democrats, Greens, and Independents.

I even have some atheist friends.

I scaled back that work a while ago and have gone back to mostly software development as I'm broke and getting old and can't climb on roofs forever, so that's almost all past tense. Did mostly solar for about 13 years.

How many with a record? About half.

I've hired a few people I didn't like enough to invite to dinner, but no one I would have felt uncomfortable doing it because of their record or I thought they would steal something or be dangerous to me or my family.

Six ? Sure, on a Tuesday.

The GOP is literally a fascist party. Which isn't saying much if you understand just how fascist the US has been since ....well, since there's been fascism.

I'm not sure why you're surprised. Our country was founded on the idea that humans could be owned and used as property.

I don't know if the Dems are actually fascist. They're a bit less authoritarian but they also want society to exist for corporations. They may envision more of a caste system. But I don't think it would take much to win them over. AOC is already half way there, which is why it's funny to juxtapose her and KR.
He may be more of a progressive then her at heart.

The real question is, if one of those guys walked down your street would you have stood on your front lawn with a long gun to 'protect' your family.

We have like 5 times the incarceration rate of Iraq. And here we are whining that some people aren't held while their trial is pending.

And Lagtight doesn't understand he lives in a fascist country. Meh. We're all pretty solidly brainwashed. One day you look around and it's like...holy ****.....everything anyone ever told me was a lie.

Then it all starts to get easier. lol