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06-08-2020 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
its actually impossible to move convention. security, contracts...he might be able to give his acceptance speech elsewhere. but NC it is. i know. hard to believe Trump ran his mouth without understanding the depth of the situation.
Well, since Covid overreaction has been exposed as a fraud, he will get his big beautiful convention there, then.
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06-08-2020 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Is he going to issue them with pillows?
Yes. Trump has been working on Pillows 4 Police for quite sometime now.

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06-08-2020 , 09:38 PM


I know it's probably not fair, but I see so many of you in this video. My eyes don't roll far enough for this.

Probably nobody over the age of 24.

I wonder if that guy at the end knows any of the many white dudes who were killed by the cops by name.
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06-08-2020 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Responding to this post more as a jumping off point and not because I necessarily think you disagree, but like - police are far from the only group of people in history to have risen to the call when placed in an extraordinary situation at an extraordinary time. See also: health care workers around the world in the past 4 months. The degree to which police, out of all those groups, are placed on a pedestal today is absurd. There's no equivalent of a "thin blue line" flag or "blue lives matter" for firefighters or nurses, it's pure culture war fuel.
I don't know that police are put on a pedestal outside the right wing. In any case, I certainly agree that police as a group do not need or deserve to be put on a pedestal. It's a **** job in a lot of respects. People are drawn to it for different reasons, but it's clear that some are drawn to it because they think it will allow them to scratch an itch they have to crack some heads. People who are drawn to the job for that reason are an obvious problem.
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06-08-2020 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0


I know it's probably not fair, but I see so many of you in this video. My eyes don't roll far enough for this.

Probably nobody over the age of 24.

I wonder if that guy at the end knows any of the many white dudes who were killed by the cops by name.


You seriously believe most people in this forum are under the age of 24? Guess that means you, me and the other poster who just posted here started here at the age of 6-12 years old or so? I mean, the poker games were pretty easy in 2006...

What are you doing next year for your 25th birthday? I suggest a kegger!

All the best.

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06-08-2020 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Trump is a goner unless he uses the military and police to help him corrupt the vote. You see him trying to do that already. Even though he's up against a senile 80 year old man, most people (rightfully) hate him that much.
His most recent approval poll has him 30 points under water. It’s not 2008 George W. Bad but it is getting close. Plus it looks like Trump is the first President in my lifetime to never legitimately hit 50% plus favorable rating.

He has never even had half the country think of him favorably. Even the most mediocre presidents get into the mid sixties at some point.

It is why Trump has brought in this Kevin McCallister pollster group. Same one who called the house plus 1 republicans in 2018 instead of plus 40 democrats. Plus all their other victories of calling thirty point leads for candidates who ended up losing by double digits.

Apparently the continued slide in the polling has Trump freaking out and it might even have some high profile advisors getting booted or pushed aside. Bringing on this fake pollster is in hopes of soothing Trump until November so they can leave and get their grift on.

I don’t have any current expectation of Trump losing in a November. Right now I think he has a strong chance of re-election. The only chance is if the voting turnout is huge so it turns the tide had overcomes all the methods of rigging, fixing, and manipulation the republicans will employ.

If everything was above board and we had a high turnout, than Trump is a goner, I agree. I just have little confidence in those things occurring.

The stain of being a 2016 Trump voter is bad. A 2020 Trump voter? Lol.
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06-08-2020 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Yeah, I'm not buying this without data. I'm pretty sure rates of police violence correlate with population density. Fear drives violence. Rural police don't have a whole lot to fear. The threat and frequency and fear of violence is far greater in the city. Rural police rarely have to draw their weapon.
I said "per encounter", so population density should not be an issue.

The idea that the U.S. is divided between safe rural and suburban areas and dangerous urban areas is a corrosive, mostly right-wing, myth.
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06-08-2020 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Yeah, I'm not buying this without data. I'm pretty sure rates of police violence correlate with population density. Fear drives violence. Rural police don't have a whole lot to fear. The threat and frequency and fear of violence is far greater in the city. Rural police rarely have to draw their weapon.
Headline of article:
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Police Are Killing Fewer People In Big Cities, But More In Suburban And Rural America
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rural-america/

Published one week ago.
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06-08-2020 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Actually, everyone here is old.
Bodies get older, that doesn't mean critical thinking skills keep up.
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06-08-2020 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I am not sure if this has been brought up but two of the cops were rookies with 4 days on the job. Based on police culture and the fact that one of them suggested turning him over on his stomach how can you convict these two of anything?
I do have some empathy for those two. However as others have pointed out, if there were four gang members and they killed a guy in the exact manner, and two of them just joined the gang, would anyone be pushing for leniancy?

The length of their tenure is not accounted for in the law. Should every violent criminal have their punishment adjusted based on the length of time they have been part of an organized crime family?

Personally I want to see the people who made that serial killer psychopath a training officer. However this really just further solidifies that an officer like Chauvin, with all the murders, all the reports, is held up as an example of good Police, by the Police.

I do get a little twisted about those two guys but then I think, “How useful is a cop who freezes up and does nothing as a murder takes place right in front of them.”
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06-08-2020 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
The intersection between social media and policing over the last twenty years has been fascinating. On the one hand, social media has fed the perception that bad policing is an escalating problem in the United States. I would be shocked if that were true. However big a problem disparate policing and inappropriate use of force is today, it very likely was worse twenty years. And it unquestionably was worse forty years ago.

On the other hand, social media has completely blown up the right-wing fantasy that there is not an ongoing problem that needs to be addressed.
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Originally Posted by well named
This seems about right to me.
Hey guys, thanks for the bedtime laugh, YOU PEOPLE REALLY ARE BRAINWASHED

What a "Moderator"
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06-08-2020 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
Hey guys, thanks for the bedtime laugh, YOU PEOPLE REALLY ARE BRAINWASHED

What a "Moderator"
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It is right - I've been pointing it out for years. Not just social media but in particular cameras.

Also the paradox of progress seeming like going backwards because we measure much more of the problem.

Here is your proof, Chezlaw

LOL
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06-08-2020 , 10:37 PM
Do any of you people live in Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, STL, Baltimore???

Tell me BLM, you are victims of propaganda.

I live in STL, stop on by and tell me systemic racism is the problem.

Idiots
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06-08-2020 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
Do any of you people live in Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, STL, Baltimore???

Tell me BLM, you are victims of propaganda.

I live in STL, stop on by and tell me systemic racism is the problem.

Idiots
Is the problem actually black people, iyo?
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06-08-2020 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Is the problem actually black people, iyo?
You want me to say, YES? or NO??

You intelligence is quite evident. May I ask you this, are "white"people the problem????
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06-08-2020 , 10:52 PM
I am going to tell you dolts 1 thing, replace the "U" with an "E"

Defend the Police

Dolts
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06-08-2020 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
You want me to say, YES? or NO??

You intelligence is quite evident. May I ask you this, are "white"people the problem????
Yeah, the people with the most power in an abusive system do tend to be the problem.
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06-08-2020 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
Do any of you people live in Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, STL, Baltimore???

Tell me BLM, you are victims of propaganda.

I live in STL, stop on by and tell me systemic racism is the problem.

Idiots
I’m from LA, and have immediate family in both DC and NYC. And yea, systemic racism is a huge problem.
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06-08-2020 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Yeah, the people with the most power in an abusive system do tend to be the problem.
I think there are a lot of problems, many of which are pretty complex, as systemic issues tend to be. The all-too-common tendency to reduce them to problems with black people is in itself a big problem, and obviously an example of racial prejudice. But I don't think it helps to reduce all the complexity to just "white people" either.
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06-08-2020 , 11:32 PM
This roooook guy seems super stable
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06-08-2020 , 11:34 PM
Lol he PM'd me out of the blue the other day saying he'd kick my ass at chess and called me "libby". Probably another clorox huffer.
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06-08-2020 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I said "per encounter", so population density should not be an issue.

The idea that the U.S. is divided between safe rural and suburban areas and dangerous urban areas is a corrosive, mostly right-wing, myth.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...l-america/amp/

This does not answer your core assertion, but it does speak about density. It would be impossible for a rural area to even come close to a city. Crime is extremely rare in a rural area, for the simple reason: there's hardly anybody there.

You're going to hit a flush once every 100 years, as opposed to once everyday. The odds of a flush are the same in this analogy, you're just playing less. Even if you increase the odds in rural areas by orders of magnitude.... And in this case I'm talking about cop per square mile, which is way less in rural areas.

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06-08-2020 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
This roooook guy seems super stable
Alcoholic
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06-08-2020 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...l-america/amp/

This does not answer your core assertion, but it does speak about density. It would be impossible for a rural area to even come close to a city. Crime is extremely rare in a rural area, for the simple reason: there's hardly anybody there.

You're going to hit a flush once every 100 years, as opposed to once everyday. The odds of a flush are the same in this analogy, you're just playing less. Even if you increase the odds in rural areas by orders of magnitude.... And in this case I'm talking about cop per square mile, which is way less in rural areas.
If I only hit a flush once every 100 years, I would either kill myself, or give up poker all together.
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06-08-2020 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
This roooook guy seems super stable
Dude, he's full of productive dialogue that respects our shared humanity.
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