The Democratic party doesn't like average white guys.

You cannot ask Trolly that question.

He called the UK health agency anti vax because the minute the US CDC said teens and Kids should be vax'd, that then became Trolly's position and the UK health authority was not there yet (Chez are they even now aligned with the US there?) and to Trolly, no one can disagree with the US.

But no, Joe Rogan is not anti vax. He however may not have the best advice in what was the rapidly changing areas of teen boy and young kid risk/reward analysis. His argument was never that vaccines were bad but rather that the benefits to those groups were so small and some of the side effects risk were greater.

Getting that question wrong would not make someone anti vax.

Did Rogan take the vaccine? Pretty sure it has been a few years since he was a teenager, so perhaps how he as a mid 50s dude behaved with regard to his personal demographic would be a better indicator of his views of the vaccine.


Not sure it is pearl clutching so much as pointing and saying "derps gonna derp." Public figures, and particularly derpy ones, will tend to have a history of derping. Some of them embrace that quality.

Nothing really new about this criticism approach with public figures, and no party has a monopoly on the behavior. Just read any random Breitbart article or go back and look at how some crazy behaviors from Obama like golfing or wearing a tan suit got a huge amount of what you call pearl clutching, or a more serious example how the derp gun people treated the kids from Parkland, Florida.

Actually that is the issue.

it is why it can be so silly to have certain discussions saying 'the Nword and I mean the actual word and not the PC short form I just used' over and over because it can be so confusing.

So when I said it would be fine for an educational segment on Sesame Street to refer to the 'Nword' in an educational segment I meant this optically correct written word and not the real word, but that is not clear because people are constantly dancing around it use. So many time when people say that they are suggesting the use of the real word.

The dripping disdain from e_d for the less educated in this instance or in sport is as clear from his as it was from Toothsayer in the BFI. And that is fine.

But the attempt to purge him, and any one not educated as a "right" derp as if the left or centre cannot also have derps is what really exposes him.

Yeah sure but the libs and Dems are supposed to be the party of intelligent people. I'd expect Trumpkin derps to lose their **** over Obama golfing or Michelle Obama suggesting schoolkids eat more veggies or Hillary eating babies or whatever. They are usually not very bright and often racist, so it's almost expected.

But there is something really cynical about the fake shaming by the left, of people who dare to hold contrary views to them. They know better but don't care. It's pure payback for not falling in line.

He literally apologized for spreading vaccine disinformation. I don't know what it is about Rogan that melts his listeners' minds, it's like he already admitted he ****ed up and somehow QP is in here insisting he did no wrong.

It is not that he disagrees with them, that they hate.

It is that his voice is getting more attention than theirs and they can't silence them.

So moving to Plan B of trying to assassinate his character is the norm in any instance like that.

This tactic really is a monster of the far left and it is wielded viscously and without a second thought and then applauded and furthered without question by people like Trolly and others here who would never stop to question, as you did, why this divergence and is it genuine or not?

Right, it's not as if there's a global health emergency or something serious going on. People on the left are just weird cynics who want payback. They're strange, sick people.

Making a mistake and admitting it DOES NOT EQUAL being anti vax.

If you were smarter you would know that.

Being anti vax means you hold a position despite getting the correct data. You are not open to it.

So fine, be pissed he gave credence to views on Covid you think are wrong or harmful. How does it go from there, to pure character assassination. Like oh by the way, did we mention he's a RACIST???

Both can be true at the same time.

There can be a pandemic.

People on the left (ergo you) can be cynics who want payback and be strange sick people willing to slander anyone who you want to label anti vax as if perfection of opinion is the only standard during a crisis where the data is literally changing all the time.

How does he go from being an anti-vaxx idiot to a racist idiot? It's not that big of a jump, my dude.

It's like "How could he do this one dumb thing... and then do an entirely different dumb thing?!? Answer that, Trolly!"

The difference is republican politicians base campaigns of BS like birtherism or flag kneeling. In this case Jen Psaki made a pretty reasonable statement about a multi billion dollar company needing to do more on public health disinformation, random people on the internet dug up prior racism and the whole thing will blow over in a week.

Kind of outdated to think one side should sit there and take it and accept it, and never fight back in an equivalent way. I would suggest a "N word vs vegetables" comparison works better if both sides fight in the the same manner. Still, if you believe one side should never fight back, that is your right to believe that.

Almost as if derps are gonna derp. It is a bit odd that Cuepee is doing this fight as he was one of the bigger anti-derpists in that BFI Covid thread for a long time. Those derps showed they were very capable of multi tasking when it came to derping, so this concept should not be that shocking.

What makes joe Rogan racist? My understanding is the clip of him is cut/paste of him quoting/repeating jokes by black comedians.

The planet of the apes quote is definitely a racist stereotype joke. I don’t know if you watch stand up but do you think all controversial comedians are racist? Do you think the joke is in the outrage of what’s said and not supposed to be taken to heart? Do you think jimmy car is glad hitler killed a bunch of romas and gypsies?

I don't mean to rock your mind here but, one of the things that makes Joe Rogan racist is that he tells racist jokes.

It is the same thing that now makes Russell Brand "Right Wing".

He is defending Joe Rogan, and gaining the ire of some on the far left, thus he MUST be right wing. Simple as that.

Put aside the guy is probably left of all progressives in politics. Does not matter.



it is a left tactic. Don't debate the question at hand. Get the person defending he is not a Nazi, not racist, not a homophobe not a transphobe, not right wing, and if you keep him doing that you win.

A person who has defend in public 'I am not a Nazi" hundreds of time has already lost and the Left knows that and it is exactly why they weaponize it.

I would suggest it is more an anti-derp tactic. Brand and Rogan are both derps, so when they behave in a derpy manner, as derps are inclined to do, well there you go. Again, this is hardly a new reaction in the current world - look at how the right went nuts with AOC without a mask in that one picture. Yeah, the context of the picture should matter, but did it to them for their headlines and yelling? They tried their variant of the derps gonna derp strategy using their own ideas of that concept. At least they tried to move up from being angry about vegetables and lattes. That tan suit, however, was pretty bad...

Iconic punk singer Patti Smith is a right winger now ?

So a comedian who tells jokes about pedophilia is a pedophile?

A comedian who joked about killing people wants to kill people?

A black comedian who makes a joke about black stereotypes is racist? A Jewish one who makes a Jewish joke?

I don't see that Rogan is actually anti vaxx and the bleeped clips I saw seem to be of Rogan saying 'the word.....' so it seems the context was the word rather than name calling. Don't know for sure because I don't listen to him all that much but I suspect your take here is correct.

Just the left eating it's own as always.

Trolly and some here are trying to define anti vax as being wrong on the current science and making a mistake as opposed to be being against vaccines as a principal. He admits that saying 'he admits he made some mistakes on covid...d'uh thus anti-vax'.

So when the CDC publishes info updating their position to say 'those under 5 should not be vax'd' if you read the data they put out and read it wrong, or focus on different parts and think the data does not support that, you are not just wrong, you are anti-vax.

Trolly would not deny the above and would say yes, being wrong equals anti vax.


And Jim acosta did a segment on CNN. It was just Nword bleeped out with one word prior or one word after. Zero context. They then debated how anyone could not be considered racist if they use the Nword so frequently.

Joe's vocal and known position on the Nword in his podcast was when it was the appropriate word to use he was not going to hide behind political correctness and keep saying 'The Nword, but what I mean is the real word and not the politically correct abbreviation'. He would mock people going to such lengths to avoid saying the word when everyone knew what you meant and were saying anyway.

And i 100% agree with that, in the right venue or context. Saying 'the Nword, but i mean the real word and not the politically correct abbreviation' over and over is just silly. And Joe's podcast was not a place where political correctness was needed or expected.

He is a mid 50s male that did not get the vaccine in a very public way. There is a chance that might be a stronger factor in the "he is anti-vaxx" reasoning then a debate about people 5 and under that you keep bringing up as apparently the big issue. Just saying.

It's all just so confusing!