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Correct and one country will not solve the problem. Sadly when countries like China, India and Russia do nothing and you have a population growing at a rate the planet can not handle and a small % of people controlling the $$$ were screwed.

Not sure how this came a topic in Joe Rogan as he is a firm believer in Climate Change . I have not listed to the Jordan Peterson interview. Did he deny climate change exists?

Any attack will do. Some will be accurate, much will be bull.

I'm not listeining to JP to find out. I dont care a jot what he think about climate change. He is a physcologist ffs

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02-10-2022 , 11:50 AM

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Lol, this is a real quote? One of the finest minds of the 21st century right there, folks.

I have long suspected that Jordan Peterson doesn't actually exist and is performance art by Billy Bob Thornton. Ever seen them both in the same room?

Wow not sure how I missed the billy Bob comparison.

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02-10-2022 , 11:51 AM

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It came up because someone quoted Jordan Peterson (on Rogan's podcast) saying something moronic and you responded to it by saying something even more moronic.

The problem with many people who aspire to be public intellectuals is that they inevitably wander into areas where they lack expertise. Very few people are brilliant enough to have real insights about topics outside their main areas of expertise. I have enormous respect for the intelligence of those who can. But those people are very, very rare.

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02-10-2022 , 11:52 AM

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Lordy, what a ****ing cretin (re: Peterson clip above).

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02-10-2022 , 11:54 AM

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There is one person I can think of who could legitimately be described as a "public intellectual" - Stephen Fry, and I seriously doubt he ever aspired to become one. For that matter, I have reservations that anyone who is a real polymath aspires to be a public anything.

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02-10-2022 , 11:55 AM

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I find it hard to believe that Jordan Peterson actually believes the argument that he was advancing in that video.

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02-10-2022 , 11:56 AM

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Lordy, what a ****ing cretin (re: Peterson clip above).

I listened to that episode when it came out the other week. Jordan was way off in the weeds and seemed to just be talking out of his butt.

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02-10-2022 , 11:57 AM

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I listened to that episode when it came out the other week. Jordan was way off in the weeds and seemed to just be talking out of his butt.

Are you saying that this is uncharacteristic of him?

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02-10-2022 , 12:00 PM

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I don't see why Joe Rogan's voting habits or the voting habits of his listeners are especially relevant to whether he should be deplatformed by Spotify. That decision should be based on his behavior.

I saw an interesting debate on a Sam Seder youtube clip about the responsibility of Spotify to it's share holders and the lack of fact checking by many independent political commentators (read 'comedians') who don't feel they need to be held to the same standards as other journalists even though they're performing that role on their shows.

I thought that was a very thoughtful take on this. Much more interesting then jumping up and down, throwing poo and screeching RACIST !!!

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02-10-2022 , 12:02 PM

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That is a good point, someone speaking for that many hours is bound to say something stupid or mean at some point. I read on reddit he was saying something about white brains and black bodies in reference to biracial people which is just bleh.

It's like infinite monkeys on typewriters hammering out Shakespeare, if you get a dumb white guy in front of a hot mic for long enough he will eventually start rambling about race science.

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02-10-2022 , 12:02 PM

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For a second I thought you were going to say Ben Shapiro.

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02-10-2022 , 12:03 PM

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I think it is not unfair to say that Mike Tyson's podcast is more intelligent and more insightful than Joe Rogan's.

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02-10-2022 , 12:03 PM

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It's like infinite monkeys on typewriters hammering out Shakespeare, if you get a dumb white guy in front of a hot mic for long enough he will eventually start rambling about race science.

I believe this is what they call an 'axiom'.

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02-10-2022 , 12:04 PM

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For a second I thought you were going to say Ben Shapiro.

OK, two

I should have clarified - a "public intellectual" who is actually a real intellectual.

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02-10-2022 , 12:04 PM

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I'm not sure why some posters in this thread are certain that most "elites", whatever that means, hate blue collar workers.

Because it is such a constant refrain that sneaks out often enough despite 'smart' people knowing better that they should not give it voice.

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02-10-2022 , 12:09 PM

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I'm not sure why some posters in this thread are certain that most "elites", whatever that means, hate blue collar workers.

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Because it is such a constant refrain that sneaks out often enough despite 'smart' people knowing better that they should not give it voice.

If you replace "hate" with "look down on", then it's generally true. Snobbery is a part of the human condition, after all.

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02-10-2022 , 12:18 PM

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It should be noted that he didn't use that title in the sort of affectionate way that rap singers do.

+1

Gregory thought it was important for the n-word to remain a part of public consciousness. Just like it is important for the word holocaust to not drop out of our vocabulary.

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02-10-2022 , 12:23 PM

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You don't even need to go that far, even the 3 body problem can't be solved analytically in the general case.

True, but making that criticism actually requires math knowledge. Where as just saying you’re not taking everything into account needs no technical understanding and is analogous to what Peterson did.

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02-10-2022 , 12:31 PM

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You're the ******. Maybe you're not worried about the Nazis coming for you, and maybe you don't care about the people they would come for.

But most good people don't want to see anyone dragged off to concentration camps. And that's why it's important to expose people like Joe Rogan for who they really are and prevent their ideas from spreading.

Huh?

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02-10-2022 , 12:47 PM

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Huh?

It's a very slippery slope between normalizing the use of racial slurs, which Joe Rogan does, and allowing a racial supremacist government to seize power, which is clearly part of Joe Rogan's agenda.

It's important to expose such people for who they are so that their ideas don't become mainstream.

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02-10-2022 , 12:54 PM

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I'm not sure why some posters in this thread are certain that most "elites", whatever that means, hate blue collar workers.

We're talking about the elites and would be elites who are calling Rogan dumb. That's probably elitist rather than elite so point taken.

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02-10-2022 , 01:06 PM

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And.... Rote learning rears its head once again. lol.

But that is largely true. A significant percent or people who focused on and excelled in a system that required Rote learning at its core or 'none shall pass' literally or figuratively, see that system (their grades and degrees) as the pinnacle of their achievement and have great disdain for those who find an alternate and more lucrative path to success (athletes, celebrities, blue collar, etc) .

I'm not one to denigrate academic achievement fwiw.

I'm more of a pay the bills kind of guy though. At the end of the day, I wasn't left a trust fund so....

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02-10-2022 , 01:12 PM

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I've not listened to Joe Rogan. He must have a HUGE influence, at least in your mind, since he apparently has the power to "allow" a racial-supremacist government to seize power.

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02-10-2022 , 01:33 PM

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The public part is maybe questionable but Ed Witten has a BA in history, worked as a speechwriter in a presidential campaign, studied economics for a while in grad school, has published articles on the Israeli Palestinian conflict and dabbles from time to time in theoretical high energy physics.

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02-10-2022 , 01:35 PM

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I'm not one to denigrate academic achievement fwiw.

I'm more of a pay the bills kind of guy though. At the end of the day, I wasn't left a trust fund so....

Until I went to college, I doubt that I had even met a single trust fund kid, much less been one myself.

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