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It sounds like you are highly confident that you would do a better job than me. I strongly encourage you to tell Bobo and Spew that you want to take over. If they are cool with it, I'm gone.

make me mod and I wont do **** but ban spambots.

I wont even ban the people like gs and cv and BGP who repeatedly slander me.

bc I actually have conviction and consistency and morals.

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04-22-2024 , 10:56 PM

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I didn't realize Bowser is no longer a mod here.

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04-22-2024 , 10:57 PM

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Meh. You can make the argument of American allegiance for a lot of conflicts neither leftist or Muslim activists care much about at all.

Our relationship with Saudi and our involvement in the Saudi conflict with the Houthis is a pretty good parallel, except for the amount of human suffering of the Yemen population is actually exponentially more than the Palestinians. And the energy around the outrage from the left and Muslim world isn't 1/1,000,000 the outrage concerning the Palestinians.

I of course believe, like Palestinians, the Yemen are mainly responsible for their own situation, and they are reaping what they are sowing. But we know the left and Muslim activist crowd certainly doesn't believe this, and if the left and Muslim world was actually just outraged by "American allegiance," there is certainly no reason they wouldn't be just as concerned about the Yemeni population as the Palestinians.

We are strong military and economic partners with Turkey, and honestly minus what happened in Rwanda they are pretty much the modern world kings of genocide, and have been for the last 100+ years. And no shits given by leftists or the Muslim world.

We give tons of military aid to Qatar, and our main military installation in the Middle East is in their nation. And they literally used human slaves to build soccer stadiums, and no shits given by the left or Muslim activists

The list really is endless. Sorry, "American allegiance" is not a good explanation. Maybe "hatred of western civlization" itself works better, as many of our "allies" are not perceived by the left as part of the western world, whereas Israel is.

But honestly, Jew hatred is the simplest explanation for what is going on, especially from the Muslim world, and hence probably the most accurate.

I don't really understand how this justifies the current genocide not being called genocide. That's rafiki's point. That this is only being called genocide because of Jew hatred. This is being classified as genocide because it is genocide. You admitted as such and I've respected your point of view because we agree on a lot itt.

I get what you're saying. People don't really pay attention, but Israel-Palestine is a provocative subject. It isn't due to Jew hatred. It's due to the extreme polarization making for good television. There was no "that Sudan **** is totally cool with me" attitude to stage debates.

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04-22-2024 , 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer

That's a ban worthy "contentless attack". There's been probably 10+ of these I've reported.

Also lol at claiming bias and calling me an authoritarian when I critiques the authority in this forum, because that authority is silencing criticism of you.

Who is silencing criticism of Victor? I have personally criticized Victor dozens of times. Posters frequently call Victor a hyperbolic, antisemitic, Putin apologist with no repercussions. IMO, he deserves (or at least invites) a lot of the criticism that he receives.

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04-22-2024 , 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Who is silencing criticism of Victor? I have personally criticized Victor dozens of times.

he literally thinks that anything he doesnt agree with should be banworthy.

like, he wants to ban me bc I dont want the USA to send money to Ukraine or Israel.

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04-22-2024 , 11:03 PM

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I didn't realize Bowser is no longer a mod here.

Browser hasn't been a mod for a while. CV got a two-day ban for calling people ****s and twats, which I guess was a bad call in your eyes. I haven't banned anyone else since I returned.

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04-22-2024 , 11:04 PM

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I did not mean to imply that you are silencing all criticism of Victor. I am saying Victor is "bootlicking" authority while calling me an authoritarian bootlicker, because at the moment you are attempting to silence me regarding a decision about Victor:

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BGP,

No offense, but I'm not really interested in you second guessing the modding of this forum unless you want to do it yourself.

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04-22-2024 , 11:06 PM

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You're not gonna get an argument out of me that Dems are great on issues regarding war and peace. They have a terrible record on it and focus way too much on begging for free stuff and dumb stuff Republicans say.

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04-22-2024 , 11:06 PM

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He wants to ban you for being a ****ing liar and accusing people of loving genocide when he's the one who wants Jews dead

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04-22-2024 , 11:07 PM

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thats not how bootlicking works.

I almost never want anyone banned. I dont report posts. I dont care if you guys insult me and lie about me. I actually said that mets should be unbanned. and I am fine with cv being unbanned.

I just want to be able call a spade a genocidal spade.

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04-22-2024 , 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

he literally thinks that anything he doesnt agree with should be banworthy.

like, he wants to ban me bc I dont want the USA to send money to Ukraine or Israel.

This is not true, and it's pretty easy to verify. To begin with I don't critique anyone for not wanting to send money to Israel, I think it's a very complex issue.

There are several posters who don't want to send money to Ukraine that I'd encourage to post more. Your views have nothing to do with why I think you should be banned.

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04-22-2024 , 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

make me mod and I wont do **** but ban spambots.

I wont even ban the people like gs and cv and BGP who repeatedly slander me.

bc I actually have conviction and consistency and morals.

I don't get to make people mods. As I said, you ask for a lot of what you get imo.

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04-22-2024 , 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

He wants to ban you for being a ****ing liar and accusing people of loving genocide when he's the one who wants Jews dead

I dont want Jews dead. BGP, how would you respond to this post? you would not ban him.

but if I were to say that the people who support bombing Palestinians want Palestinians dead (bc ya know, thats what bombs do), then I am sure you would insta perma ban me.

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04-22-2024 , 11:10 PM

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I would ban mets if he continued to post that. I believe his posting that stems from being on the receiving end of similar posts for months, and he would not be posting things like that when he is not on the receiving end of such posts for months.

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04-22-2024 , 11:10 PM

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I don't get to make people mods. As I said, you ask for a lot of what you get imo.

I dont ask for people to be banned or sanctioned when they make up heinous lies about me. so I am not sure of your point.

just bc I disagree with the consensus on murdering Palestinians and Ukrainians doesnt mean I should be banned. and that is exactly what BGP is lobbying for. he only wants to be mod so he can ban me.

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04-22-2024 , 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer

I am not trying to silence you regarding a decision about Victor. The only decision I made was to ban CV for two days. You can moderate the entire forum and ban whoever you want for all I care.

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04-22-2024 , 11:13 PM

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well I dont want mets banned for that. and your are way too confident on your analysis to be impartial. mets is not the victim and he has been calling people names for months. ffs, he just insulted micro a few days ago for disagreeing with him.

you should not be making decisions.

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04-22-2024 , 11:13 PM

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What do you believe the consensus is on "murdering Palestinians and Ukrainians"?

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04-22-2024 , 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rococo

I am not trying to silence you regarding a decision about Victor. The only decision I made was to ban CV for two days. You can moderate the entire forum and ban whoever you want for all I care.

cowardly bullshit

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04-22-2024 , 11:16 PM

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I didn't insult him for disagreeing with me, i was annoyed at him for defending your rabid antisemitism

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04-22-2024 , 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

I dont ask for people to be banned or sanctioned when they make up heinous lies about me. so I am not sure of your point.

My point is that you are deliberately intemperate and hyperbolic, so you have no grounds to complain when people respond in kind.

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04-22-2024 , 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer

What do you believe the consensus is on "murdering Palestinians and Ukrainians"?

most on this forum think that Palestinians are allowed to be murdered. most on this forum think that Ukrainians can be forced to the front lines to be murdered.

anything opposite of that is antisemitism or Putin-loving.

and we all know you would enforce that viewpoint with an iron fist. we know who you are.

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04-22-2024 , 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rococo

My point is that you are deliberately intemperate and hyperbolic, so you have no grounds to complain when people respond in kind.

I dont complain about that.

I am complaining that BGP wants to ban me when I have broken no rules and he is just upset bc I disagree with his views on if Palestinians should be allowed to exist with human rights.

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04-22-2024 , 11:21 PM

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When the mods decided you were allowed to call Jewish people nazis and lie about people loving genocide it is their fault that cv loses his temper and gets tempbanned

You try to get people to go to far

You get off on it

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04-22-2024 , 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

cowardly bullshit

I am not obligated to moderate this forum. I don't particularly enjoy moderating this forum. And I certainly am not under an obligation to ensure that the next moderator protects you.

I am not convinced that BGP would be the best choice to mod this forum, but if Bobo and Spew disagree, that's fine with me. On balance, I would rather have BGP moderate the forum than do it myself.

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