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04-21-2024 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
It's not against the law to walk around London, looking for a reaction.

This whole debate isn't about his right to do that (everyone agrees the copper is a knuckle-headed fool) but whether him being prevented by the knuckled-headed fool makes Jewish people less safe. I think it clearly doesn't because he in no way represents Jewish people in London, being clearly an agent provocateur.
The issue wasn't about being safe or not, it was about whether London was "fine" for Jews within the context of this incident. It clearly isn't. An individual copper is a state representative and his individual assessment still represents the state there and then at that moment. It doesn't matter what an individual Jew's politics are, all that matters is whether or not they can go around London being as openly Jewish as they please without a reaction. This incident shows they can't. Ergo London currently isn't fine for Jews.
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04-21-2024 , 01:39 PM
Today I learnt that walking around being "visibly Jew" is being an agent provocateur, I am getting the "girls with skirts are actually asking to be raped" vibes of decades ago.
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04-21-2024 , 01:40 PM
jalfrezi and cartoon Hitler's joint investigation has concluded that it was the jew in the wrong. Case closed
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04-21-2024 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
every accusation is a confession from your ideology.
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Lol
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04-21-2024 , 01:45 PM
ya, he should try to be like these Jews



and not the war criminals that walk around with film crews trying to incite an incident in support of genocide.
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04-21-2024 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
his individual assessment still represents the state there and then at that moment.
Nonsense. He's interpreting the law and applying it (or failing horribly by misapplying it in this case). The final outcome of any judicial process will determine the state's views.
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04-21-2024 , 01:49 PM
I'm surprised your martyr-hero didn't get himself arrested and put it to the test. Guess money-raising for his Israeli causes that even MARGARET ****ing HODGE hates don't mean as much to him.
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04-21-2024 , 01:58 PM
Falter just called the people on the lawful march “lawless mobs”. Maybe Palestinians and their supporters should be the ones to feel unsafe here.
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04-21-2024 , 01:58 PM
Guy in london gets threatened with arrest for looking too Jewish, and you are here posting on the internet that the real issue is that he was weaponising his jewishness.

Disgrace!
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04-21-2024 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
jalfrezi and cartoon Hitler's joint investigation has concluded that it was the jew in the wrong. Case closed
ya it really doesnt take much to see how much of a psycho this guy is

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04-21-2024 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
Guy in london gets threatened with arrest for looking too Jewish, and you are here posting on the internet that the real issue is that he was weaponising his jewishness.

Disgrace!
I'm "here posting on the internet" that it was terrible policing by a knuckle-headed copper, if you can read.

You, supporting agents of the far right carrying out a genocide, are a disgusting specimen.
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04-21-2024 , 02:04 PM
I hereby add antisemitic to your previous and long-standing crime of being a humorless bore. Card marked x2
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04-21-2024 , 02:06 PM
Can't be a real BOIDS post without the obligatory "lads" pub-moron speak. Did you get hacked?
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04-21-2024 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Nonsense. He's interpreting the law and applying it (or failing horribly by misapplying it in this case). The final outcome of any judicial process will determine the state's views.
No it's not nonsense, a copper represents a state's authority via enforcing the law. State representatives stating that a dude's presence is provocative due to his religion/ethnicity- in this case Jewish- shows that London isn't currently fine for Jews.
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04-21-2024 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I'm "here posting on the internet" that it was terrible policing by a knuckle-headed copper, if you can read.

You, supporting agents of the far right carrying out a genocide, are a disgusting specimen.
It isn't a genocide and your mask is slipping.
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04-21-2024 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
So that means he can't walk wherever tf he pleases? If not then just what's your point here?
Nobody can walk where they please if a police officer asks them to move on. Failure to move on when asked is a public-order offence liable to cause a breach of the peace. Gideon Falter, an activist accompanied by someone carefully filming, was obviously trying it on. Despite the BBC getting its underwear in a twist, the police sergeant's clumsy phrasing simply isn't important. The officer could see that Falter was trying to start something. Falter, as an aggressively pro-Israeli activist, doesn't like these aggressively anti-Israeli marches going on every Saturday. He's entitled to play that angle, but he's a massive narcissist and troublemaker if he thinks he's entitled to call for the Commissioner of the Metropolis to resign because these marches are permitted. Demos are recreational, they achieve nothing and they all fizzle out at the end of the day.

There's no cogent evidence at all that Jews are unsafe in London. It is a worry, when Israel gets up to something and the River To The Sea lot react, and the Community Security Trust step up vigilance on synagogues and Jewish schools, and people get anxious about wearing a Magen David necklace or a kippah, but nothing has actually happened, and it's been quite a while now. If the Met did ban those marches, as Falter wants, then, without that recreational release, there might be a greater danger of individuals taking it out on people who look Jewish. Conceivably that might suit Falter's book ('See? I was right!'), but it wouldn't be in the interests of public safety.
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04-21-2024 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
No it's not nonsense, a copper represents a state's authority via enforcing the law. State representatives stating that a dude's presence is provocative due to his religion/ethnicity- in this case Jewish- shows that London isn't currently fine for Jews.
Didn’t you hear? jalfrezi said it was fine, and to prove his point, spoke to his Jewish neighbors lol.
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04-21-2024 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I'm surprised your martyr-hero didn't get himself arrested and put it to the test. Guess money-raising for his Israeli causes that even MARGARET ****ing HODGE hates don't mean as much to him.
Yep. 'twas all the Jew's fault...
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04-21-2024 , 02:11 PM
Accompanied not only by someone filming but also by bodyguards he'd hired for the occasion before claiming he was unable to cross the street without bodyguards.

LMFAO
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04-21-2024 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gs3737
Didn’t you hear? jalfrezi said it was fine, and to prove his point, spoke to his Jewish neighbors lol.
My real Jewish neighbours >>>>>>>>>> your fictitious Golders Green dwelling relative.
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04-21-2024 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
It isn't a genocide and your mask is slipping.
It's a genocide in progress, and your racism is showing.
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04-21-2024 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Nobody can walk where they please if a police officer asks them to move on. Failure to move on when asked is a public-order offence liable to cause a breach of the peace. Gideon Falter, an activist accompanied by someone carefully filming, was obviously trying it on. Despite the BBC getting its underwear in a twist, the police sergeant's clumsy phrasing simply isn't important. The officer could see that Falter was trying to start something. Falter, as an aggressively pro-Israeli activist, doesn't like these aggressively anti-Israeli marches going on every Saturday. He's entitled to play that angle, but he's a massive narcissist and troublemaker if he thinks he's entitled to call for the Commissioner of the Metropolis to resign because these marches are permitted. Demos are recreational, they achieve nothing and they all fizzle out at the end of the day.

There's no cogent evidence at all that Jews are unsafe in London. It is a worry, when Israel gets up to something and the River To The Sea lot react, and the Community Security Trust step up vigilance on synagogues and Jewish schools, and people get anxious about wearing a Magen David necklace or a kippah, but nothing has actually happened, and it's been quite a while now. If the Met did ban those marches, as Falter wants, then, without that recreational release, there might be a greater danger of individuals taking it out on people who look Jewish. Conceivably that might suit Falter's book ('See? I was right!'), but it wouldn't be in the interests of public safety.
Yes, when they ask people to move on for valid reasons, not due to them being openly Jewish. That certainly isn't a valid reason and you're not obliged to comply with a police order based on such reasons.
With respect I never said anything about safety/lack thereof regarding London's Jewish community. Issue was whether or not it was fine, as Chez stated to which my response was based on. Not being fine can mean all sorts of things not necessarily safety related. And again his individual politics are ultimately irrelevant. What if it was an apolitical but openly Jewish person walking past and getting stopped and told the same thing? That's what the issue is.
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04-21-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Accompanied not only by someone filming but also by bodyguards he'd hired for the occasion before claiming he was unable to cross the street without bodyguards.

LMFAO
Yep 'twas the Jew's fault and also his Jewish accomplices....
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04-21-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
It's a genocide in progress, and your racism is showing.
No it isn't and Palestinians aren't a race either.
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04-21-2024 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
What if it was an apolitical but openly Jewish person walking past and getting stopped and told the same thing? That's what the issue is.
An "apolitical but openly Jewish person" (horrible phrase of yours) doesn't turn up with someone filming as well as bodyguards, and wouldn't deliberately attract so much attention. gtfo with this bs.
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