Luciom loves the word orthogonal. Just run a search for Luciom and orthogonal if you have any doubt.

I guess, but at some point, you also have to be cognizant of what your words will mean to the listener.

They're protesting an attrocity. Worrying that some people will determindley interpret every word and action in the worst way possible is not a pressing concern in a protest.

You're not this dumb. Stop trolling

The West bank isn't illegally occupied land

The "river to sea" chants are unhelpful at best and trolling at worst, but even so they would seem to fall under the basic rubric of protected speech.

lol bro wat

yes, but 1a has nothing to do with occupying other people land.

If a student writes a op-ed in favour of hamas he shouldn't be suspended. If he makes a video chanting from river to the sea, he shouldn't be suspended. If he protests on public land doing either, he shouldn't be suspended.

If he occupies university land and is repeatedly told to leave and he doesn't leave, it has nothing to do with free speech.

they were protesting university not selling stock of companies they think are implicated in the purported atrocity, which is quite different.

Even if you agree that Israel government actions in gazas are very bad, it doesn't follow that companies who have assets in Israel are responsible for them, or that owning stocks among thousands of those companies makes you responsible either.

It's a long chain of bullshitting predicated on a specific take of current events that even if shared, doesn't in any way justify them protesting on university land against the university itself.

You know how you can diligently protest against an entity you dislike? like they ask of the university, they should stop paying tuition to an entity they consider responsible for the purported gaza genocide right? that would be the protest.

We dont have protected speach. The right wing politicians and media have tried to make a big fuss about it but the police have mostly refused to bow to such nonsense

People aren't trying to be nice. There's a lot of "**** you" to someone behind what everyone says. Look at this thread.

They hate you. They won't care that you defend their antisemitic nonsense. They would kill you for their cause

Fake video, Victor says all the hostages are dead

he said the Israeli bombs have killed about 70 detainees

huh?

"They're mad so they're allowed to be antisemitic!!!!"

Lol

They do in the USA

I am personally completely uninterested in the concept of Zionism. It means nothing to me. AFAICT to most people it just means whatever reinforces their pre-existing belief structure, and has no "true" meaning in this regard.

If you want to call yourself a Zionist as you personally understand the term, then by all means do so. If some racist Islamist wants to use it as a euphemistic pejorative to mask their power level, then they can do so. But I am not falling for it, and if you listen long enough most of the time they'll take the mask off themselves anyways.

Human history is one long chain of bad things happening to large groups of people. And the 20th century was especially bad in this regard. I dont regard Israel as any particularly villainous nation, or the Palestinian project as some particularly righteous cause that should be made a priority.

The Palestinian people are one of many refugee situations the world could be helping resolve. The Palestinian political project of the last 80 years works against ameliorating the situation, is absurd, and should not be humored at all by serious people.

I guess your answer is that you don't have a personal definition of the word and you think it means different things to different people?

I'm not asking about the other stuff. I'm trying to see how people are using the word here and people can answer that for themselves. It's just semantics, but if people are using the word differently without understanding that, then it's a communication problem.

Dunno if you honestly believe something like the typical person at a University protest in the USA would kill you or me for their cause.

I certainly agree that it is protected speech.

I think most of us are aware enough to understand this. There is just a lot of bad faith acting and intentional lack of empathy.

No one said anyone has to be nice.

I was merely making the point that, if X statement is frequently understood (by me and others) to mean Y, then I can't avoid responsibility for saying Y by explaining that X means something different to me.

If I don't understand that X means Y to a lot of people, then yeah, it's an honest communication problem that should be easy to remedy.