according to wiki, Hamas had 2 suicide bombing since them, both in 2008.

Israelis often speak of how good they are to their Arab citizens.

Why the big difference between WB/Gaza Palestinians and 1948 Arabs? Why aren't the 1948 Arabs (those who became Israeli citizens) terrorists?

I'll tell you why. They kept their land. It's the refugees and those living under military occupation that have the biggest beef with Israel.

its not like the Israeli Arabs can speak freely. hell, they harass Jewish Israelis that criticize killing Gazans like with that school teacher who got sent to solitary.

93%+ of Israeli land is owned by the state. I'm a bit skeptical of your claim here.

I was under the impression that most of that 7% exception was Arab land. And the 1948 Palestinians were not the subject of pogroms, no?

There are huge pockets of them in the major cities where they do not own the land (nobody does). Your theory seems to make sense for the more rural areas, or towns and villages that are predominantly Arab.

The arabs in jaffa kept their land because it was Israel

Many arabs in the West Bank were taken over by jordan and then when Israel took over continue to fight Israel

is it antisemitism if I dont laugh at this joke?

How many people "lost their land" in the last 80 years? 50 mllion? 100 million? Between WWII and the Arab expulsions what % of Jews lost their land. 95%? 99%?

How come everyone else in the world can move on and join functional society except Palestinians, who insist on being a society of antisocial, unproductive malcontents at the expense of the rest of the word. How many billions of our tax dollars was wasted on the underground city of terror tunnels Israel is blowing up right now.

This is all about conditioning. The Palestinians are being conditioned to be violent, antisocial and dysfunctional. Remove the conditioning and everyone would be better off for it, especially the Palestinians.

Palestinians are not allowed to leave. They don't have freedom of movement.

To be fair, he also criticizes Ukraine quite a lot. But then again, they have a Jewish leader. Hmmm...

Sorry you didn't get to see much video of the Hamas attacks on Israel, as they did it with the element of surprise, unlike giving exact notice of where and when they will be attacking like Israel does.

Actually, the idiom "moves on" generally refers to a change in mindset and general behavior, as in letting go of things that happened in the past. It does not refer to physical movement.

Egypt never let's them leave their through rafa
It's amazing you never ever ever criticize them and insist israel has full control over egypt

Israel also does not allow enough things into Gaza. and in the West Bank they are constantly infringing on land and destroying schools and houses.

you are ignorant. there is no need to be ignorant in this time with the internet and all.

it is clear that for any Palestinian to "move on" they need to either leave their land or accept a life as worse than second class.

you are here having semantical arguments bc you are quite simply not aware of how things are. understand that when I accuse you of ignorance that I am being charitable and understanding. others, like mets, just knowingly lie about the situation. and others like Dun, the most honest of them all, just emphatically relish in the oppression.

yes Egypt sucks and deserves criticism. doesnt absolve the Israeli blockade or any to the bullshit in the West Bank.

Hmm, I've been reading things you and others post here. You made a smartass comment pretending that he said something else because you didn't have a real response to what he actually meant and just wanted to pound the same point you state over and over again.

To "move on", Palestinians may have to give up the idea that they are entitled the live on the land their great-grandfathers once occupied. For many hundreds of years Jews weren't allowed to own land and were considered second class citizens in Europe, yet somehow they managed to prosper.

Personally I don't live in the same state my father did, and he didn't live in the same state my grandfather did, and he didn't live in the same country my great-grandfather did. My great-grandfather was a refugee from wars in Germany in in the late 1800s, and possibly owned land there. But I don't spend my life insisting I should be given land in Germany and if I'm not I'll just stay in a crowded refugee camp hating those who won't give it back to me. In fact, I never inherited land or anything else from my ancestors, and I'm getting by ok. I used to play poker with a Palestinian poker pro in Atlantic City, and he seemed to be getting by ok as well.

I don't think anyone should have the right to anything just because their ancestors did. Inheritance shouldn't even exist IMO.

Successful people move on. Unsuccessful people hold grudges against those who have wronged them and cut off their noses to spite their faces.

bruv, I straight up addressed this. Palestinians are not allowed to leave. like you understand that? they cant just get a passport and leave. even if they are dying of treatable cancer. or if they want to get an education and are accepted to Harvard Med school. they cant leave on their own volition.

like we are going in circles here.

So many Israelis are direct descendants of refugees, expelled violently from areas of conflict or extreme persecution. They themselves moved on, and started their new life as best they could.

There's been a few good podcasts recently on this concept of doing what the Saudis want to do: recognize, accept, move on, and prosper.

But that post I made last week about the historic humiliation behind all this is the root of why it's so hard. Islam doesn't do amazing when it's humiliated by unbelievers. That grudge can get held for a very very very long time.

my great grandfather got expelled therefore I should be able to hold all of your ancestors in a refugee camp that you cant leave and then bomb you periodically is not the great argument that you think it is.

again, the reason I actually respect Dun is that he just says it. rafiki just gaslights and chillrob just plays dumb and I think mets just is.

I would respect rafiki if he just came out and said what he feels instead of trying to justify it with lies.

read this guys twitter and ask yourself if a Gazan made any tweets remotely similar then how long would they have a job and freedom in the USA

https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai

then come and whine about antisemitism which we all know is the same as anti-Zionism at this point.

if Gazans want to be safe, maybe they should just renounce Hamas and overthrow them and then hand deliver their heads with the alive hostages. if they dont do that then their babies and toddlers deserve to get decapitated and burned alive.

imagine saying the same thing about Jews and Israel. except, nobody is calling for the deaths of Jews or even Israelis to force Palestinans to be free. proly bc they know that the IOF and Israeli gov would sacrifice those people in a second if it meant even the slightest chance to keep Palestinians oppressed. and also bc Hamas and Palestinians are not genocidal murders like the IOF.

Layla is an antisemite and I am too for sympathizing and agreeing with her.

does anyone else remember when BGP came in here and whined about how it was just so so hard on the poor Israeli children to have to be safe in a bomb shelter while multibillion dollar star wars iron dome deflected missiles.

well you can also remember that I asked him why he made such a post while Palestinian children were being incinerated every few minutes. and beyond that, I asked what is the psychological problems that could arise from those lesser human animals? he ofc was not aware of that.

well someone actually looked into that!



he wont be looking into it anymore lol.

maybe this Hamas lover from a backwards culture should have just "moved on." well, I guess he did move on. with the help of the enlightened Israelis. Inshallah.

you came into a thread where 10s of thousands of kids have blown to bits and said that Palestinian rockets were causing the Israelis to move to the right due to PTSD.

ofc you didnt mention the PTSD of the Palestinians. you said it wasnt relevant to your argument.

and its not. bc in the minds of Western liberals, Palestinian lives dont matter. ask yourself how outraged you would be if the Israeli sources for your bullshit were killed by snipers?

anyway, this highly educated and smart man tried to help you understand something. he was a deeply stupid person bc did not understand the depth of the depravity of Westerners.

Maybe you should parse some of your outrage for the countries that dont allow them to leave, which isn't Israel. If Iran or Turkey offered to take the entire population of Gaza tomorrow, Israel would roll out the red carpet.

Other Muslim countries dont want the Palestinians (Jordan has a lot already, but EVERY other Muslim country has 0 and is determined to keeping it that way) and Western countries are blocked by the UNRWA and Arab nations from taking more than a handful. The Palestinians not being allowed to leave isn't a bug of the UNRWA, it is a feature.

All the other Arab/Muslim countries view the Palestinians as meat to throw in the Israel grinder so their populations are too busy being outraged at Israel/US to notice how sucky most of their govts are. So their work to keep the Palestinians trapped.

They dont even really try to hide it either. They know Western leftists are too stupid to notice or do anything to actually help the Palestinians, and will just focus all their attention on being outraged at Israel.

You bring up a good point. Could you imagine US govt officials and military starting a war with another nation, and then hiding in caves while the US was being attacked and US civilians were killed, and doing nothing to protect citizens (and in fact doing the opposite and purposefully trying to get them killed).

Of course not. The US citizens would revolt and overthrow them immediately.

It really is weird how much Palestinians (and more generally Arabs) are willing to support absolutely horrible govts that do nothing good for them as long as they have some version of the word "Allah" in their name and promise death to the Jews.

Blatant antisemitism really is a cheat code in the Arab/Muslim world.