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11-28-2023 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Why are these people we’re bombing trying to defend themselves?
Hope.
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11-28-2023 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Really? I'm sure I read something a couple of months ago about 1200 Jews being murdered for being Jews.

Pretty sure there was a thread about it in 2+2 as well. Weird.
You know you don’t have to agree with the strategy of terrorists to acknowledge that they have political motives, right?
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11-28-2023 , 10:06 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/11/27/opinio...Post%20Opinion

Not that the Victors or slighteds will change their opinions
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11-28-2023 , 10:07 AM
Also, if we take the 13,000 number at face value, it includes military. I'm curious what percent are actually military but i find it interesting that the hamas ministry won't differentiate
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11-28-2023 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Of course USA should take Palestinian refugees.
About 50 Palestinians per year for the past 10 years have come to the US as refugees, so it's not as if it's not allowed
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11-28-2023 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I suspect this is what will happen too. For whatever reason the Palestinian terrorists are always allowed to dictate when the fighting starts and stops, and now that Hamas has lost a lot of their offensive capability, they will call a ceasefire to rearm and plan the next attack, and the world will put pressure on Israel to oblige.

Although I wonder if Israel will basically turn some northern portion into a buffer zone, which will make the next time the Palestinians break any existing cease fire to attack Israel that much harder to execute.
Israel wants a 2 km bufferzone around all of gaza
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11-28-2023 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
No nations or people are murdering Jews. However, I know of a certain nation that is murdering Palestinians daily.
Who wants to tell him about Oct 7?
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11-28-2023 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Also, if we take the 13,000 number at face value, it includes military. I'm curious what percent are actually military but i find it interesting that the hamas ministry won't differentiate
head in the sand level idiocy

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Originally Posted by Victor
lol just so unreal bloodthirsty



they are killing 20k civilians for every 2k Hamas and they still got 28k to go? someone do the math.
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11-28-2023 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Really? I'm sure I read something a couple of months ago about 1200 Jews being murdered for being Jews.

Pretty sure there was a thread about it in 2+2 as well. Weird.
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Who wants to tell him about Oct 7?
who wants to tell these guys about Verb tenses?
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11-28-2023 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Why are these people we’re bombing trying to defend themselves?
Hamas aren't defending themselves, they went on a murder spree, remember?
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11-28-2023 , 11:16 AM
It is actually interesting to view the discrepancy between the general Muslim position towards China and the US/Israel.

By any objective measure China treats Muslims way, way, way, way worse than Israel or the US. Xinjiang basically is what Muslims accuse Gaza of being. On top of all the human rights abuses, ariel photographs indicate 3/4 of all the mosques there have been systematically destroyed.

However, the Muslim world understands that resistance would be completely futile, as China would just ignore it and double down. And interestingly, Muslims seem to have much more respect for this kind of show of strength than all the Western vacillating and facilitating. China is viewed much more favorably in the Muslim world than any Western nations are, even though the latter are the ones bending over backward to accommodate Muslim belligerence and China has zero tolerance.

We all get outraged Israel arrests teenagers who throw rocks at tanks in a literal war zone, and conversely we all understand in China the tank would just run over the teenager throwing rocks, and interestingly this knowledge makes it so things never escalate to the point the rock is thrown at all, and everyone seems the better off for it.

When a recent motion came up in the US to investigate the abuses in Xinjiang, many Muslim nations voted to reject the motion.

Syria is another example. The Muslim world, including Hamas, initially opposed Assad's reign of terror against Syrian minority groups, mostly Muslims. But once he showed he wasn't going to back down or be deterred, the rest of the Muslim world just gave up, and now he is viewed much more favorably than any Western nation.

The Russian treatment of Chechnya is another example of this same phenomenon. Muslims love Putin now, orders of magnitude more than any Western leader.

Meanwhile, Israel, the US, Britain, and other western countries continuously bend over backward to accommodate Muslims, allow immigration, allow freedom of religion and speech, and the Muslims hate the West for it and are extremely belligerent.

Recent history suggests it is actually the west's tolerance and unwillingness to stand up to extremism that is exacerbating tensions between the Western and Muslim world. As yet another example, most Muslim countries themselves have no tolerance for internal extremism, although they have no problem exporting it to Western countries.

Note: I realize these other examples aren't perfect, as one of the main motivations for the issues with Israel is the pathological anti-Semitism of the Palestinian population, and to an extent the entire Muslim world. But there is still something there IMO.

**Note: I am not condoning the violence against Muslims perpetuated by China, Russia, and especially other Muslim nations. But I do notice how it seems to lead to less violence and extremism, and better relations overall; pretty much the exact opposite of the argument liberals love to make that repression of extremism leads towards more extremism.

Last edited by Dunyain; 11-28-2023 at 11:39 AM.
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11-28-2023 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
mets and caseclosed and boids and elrazor are absolutely giddy at the thought that a few 100k Gazans will die.
you're a ****ing loser man, just pathetic.
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11-28-2023 , 11:32 AM
https://www.threads.net/@realbarbara...st/C0MRtTTs015

This is what Victor thinks is humane
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11-28-2023 , 11:35 AM
its more humane than dying a thirst underneath rubble or getting burned alive by white phosphurus.

its more humane than the Palestinian children beaten to death in Prison.
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11-28-2023 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Hamas aren't defending themselves, they went on a murder spree, remember?
Damn I forgot only one side gets to commit mass murder and claim self defense.
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11-28-2023 , 11:53 AM
Not sure murdering, raping and torturing civilians counts as self-defence.
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11-28-2023 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Not sure murdering, raping and torturing civilians counts as self-defence.
both sides should stop doing those things then.
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11-28-2023 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Not sure murdering, raping and torturing civilians counts as self-defence.
wat? haveng you heard, Israel has a right to defend itself (by murdering children by the thousands)
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11-28-2023 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Also, if we take the 13,000 number at face value, it includes military. I'm curious what percent are actually military but i find it interesting that the hamas ministry won't differentiate
Weren’t all the people that were killed on Oct 7 ex military?

Or like 90% of them?

Don’t you think it’s disingenuous to say that a bunch of Palestinians are military , which is a guess, but then you refuse to acknowledge that almost every Israeli is ex military and therefore a military target


Do you see the issue here or nah
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11-28-2023 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Not sure murdering, raping and torturing civilians counts as self-defence.
Due to mandatory service, Israel doesn’t have many civilians if any.

Please stop making things up
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11-28-2023 , 12:15 PM
This ceasefire was fun while it lasted

https://nypost.com/2023/11/27/news/i...0News%20Alerts
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11-28-2023 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Due to mandatory service, Israel doesn’t have many civilians if any.

Please stop making things up
Bull ****

They are civilians. They get called into service during war and may activated but don't act like 1200 military were murdered by Hamas
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11-28-2023 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Weren’t all the people that were killed on Oct 7 ex military?

Or like 90% of them?

Don’t you think it’s disingenuous to say that a bunch of Palestinians are military , which is a guess, but then you refuse to acknowledge that almost every Israeli is ex military and therefore a military target


Do you see the issue here or nah

No.
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11-28-2023 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Due to mandatory service, Israel doesn’t have many civilians if any.

Please stop making things up
If someone isn't in active service they are a civilian.
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11-28-2023 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Weren’t all the people that were killed on Oct 7 ex military?

Or like 90% of them?

Don’t you think it’s disingenuous to say that a bunch of Palestinians are military , which is a guess, but then you refuse to acknowledge that almost every Israeli is ex military and therefore a military target


Do you see the issue here or nah
I was asking the last Israeli girl I met (about a year ago) about her job in the military. Her job was monitoring security cameras. She was like 22, spent her two years or whatever in the army and then that was that. Maybe they trained her to fire a gun idk, but none of that would make her a military target today.
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