Fiery, Mostly Peaceful Pogrom.

Biden
America. We would save the Middle East from violence

Thou shalt not kill.

I’m not Christian but Jesus had great teachings

no one here has said anything of the sort. the only person cheering death here so far has been you.

Jesus had some amazing teachings. He was the original socialist. It's kind of incredible that so many claim to follow him yet do the exact opposite of what he preached. One of history's most incredible contradictions.

The common thread here is monotheism. Animism / polytheism are not aggressive or expansive in nature. Animists do not preach and do not seek to convert; the plurality of their gods means that they can generally (perhaps with the exception of the Norse gods? someone who knows more should chime in) are happy to accept your god alongside their own. Perhaps we could narrow it down even further to the abrahamic religions, though I'm not aware of any monotheistic religions that aren't abrahamic.

When people say 'oh I can't believe that X happens in 2023'. Wake the **** up. Despite the enlightenment and modern technology and science and all the things that entails, people still cling to their imaginary old dude in the sky and need the threat of eternal punishment in order to be good and still do obvious bad. Despite some light existing, we are still living in the dark ages. The rest of us agnostics and atheists are waiting for you knuckleheads to catch up and stop pretending we need to pay attention to your hilarious, tragic fiction. The most intractable conflicts in the world: shia vs sunni, muslim vs jew, catholic vs protestant. Absolutely pathetic. Have some humility and keep your idiotic thoughts to yourself.

I would never cheer death. Show me where I did so please. All Human Life is Sacred and all Death is Tragic.

This is regularly exaggerated.

The Jewish community that settled Palestine starting in the 19th Century was mostly secular socialists. The 1967 war was launched by a Labor government. The PLO began as a secular nationalist organization. Through most of the decades the conflict has been driven just fine by rationalists. Hamas did not come on the scene until the 1980s. The Israeli religious parties did not become prominent until fairly recently.

Strident atheists greatly overestimate their resistance to nationalist bedazzlement.

And yet Yitzhak Rabin was murdered by a religious extremist, Hamas regularly cite the reason they want to extinguish Israel being because they're jewish, and jewish people even itt claim that non-jewish lives are worth less than jewish lives. Just because there have been currents of atheism, or, more accurately, less extreme religiosity, and still been fighting, doesn't mean that religion isn't just the core reason, it's the only reason. If you could magically convert every person in the middle east to atheism overnight, the conflict would disappear overnight.

The conflict would continue for as long as Palestinian ex-Muslims would continue to be subjugated by an Israeli government.

Like all conflict, it's about a power imbalance materialised as shortages (of equality, land, health, opportunity etc).

are Countries not permitted to value the live of its citizens more highly than Citizens of enemy countries?

Biden traded Brittney Griner for the #1 arms dealer in the world during a war w Ukraine, so clearly her life was valued more highly than the average Ukrainian soldier.

He was gonna be released like two years later anyway

I wonder if the EV of having Viktor Bout help source weapons for you for two years during a war is greater than one Ukrainian Solder.

One need not be an atheist to recognize the absurdity of religion.

Overnight? You think all the Israelis living in Palestinian homes seized in 1948 would walk away? The diaspora of expelled Palestinians would be let back home? No way. The main points of contention would endure.

The Neocons are not religious, yet they organized the preposterous invasion of Iraq. Henry Kissinger isn't religious to speak of, yet he's a war criminal. The 1979 war between China and Vietnam had no religious angle. The crimes of Stalin were not religiously motivated.

Israel/Palestine is first a struggle over land, which some people experience in religious terms. Religion has become important in the Palestine war, but it didn't start out that way.

There is no oil or any resources to speak of in that land. No One would have ever cared about Israel, if it were not for religion.

A couple million people seems like a resource.

or a liability.

How? Are we making Soylent Green?

the Israeli psychos dont keep them around bc they view it this way. they serve an invaluable purpose.

I think the premise is that religion will always be a source of conflict .
Always been .

I don’t think anyone said abolishing religion would entirely eradicate wars .
Wars have many reason on why it happens .
Religion is just one reason shrug .

Hamas and the Israeli billionaires and the American arms companies need this war, in the same way rich people need poor people to exist. That is a large part of why this keeps happening.

Neocons might not be religious themselves, but they frequently make them their allies. A lot of neocons are religious too, even if they're not making it their platform. Look at Jordan Peterson and the symbiotic relationship he has with Ben Shapiro. William F Buckley has been described as the original neocon, and while religion wasn't the thing he put front and centre in all his words, it is there in the background, sometimes in the foreground as he moralised. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find prominent neocons that are atheist or agnostic, or at least ones that wear their atheism / agnosticism as one of their main things.

And yes, overnight, if you could deradicalise everyone in the middle east, the situation would be less... radical. How could it not?

We have the documents. We know why the Truman administration in 1948 chose to back Israel no matter what. It was to have a strong ally astride the oil lanes. Truman got a political boost from the Jewish vote, but that's not why the security complex got behind Israel, despite the embarrassment of Israel refusing to allow 750,000 refugees to return.

U sir, are a sad shame of life

Fwiw trying to find who’s right or wrong in this conflict is absurd .
They both did terrible things for decades and both are lead by extremists .
There is no issues before extremist thinking gets eradicated on both sides .
Extremism do not bring people together in a long lasting social existence .

Meyer Lansky dropping off 2 Million in Cash didn't hurt.

YEAH. Let's just all be complete turd's and everything will be ok. Liberal's, like yourself, are the quack to society.