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Sorry bro, you don't know what you're talking about Google "stadium" in Jakarta. A now closed club in Jakarta that we famous for staying open 24/7 on the weekends with the whole place rolling on E. I've played poker in a karaoke complex with everyone doing lines of K and drugs being passed all around. Indonesians know how to party and it's not particularly hidden too much. Malaysia is a downer but it's not like you're in Saudi Arabia or something.

How many Muslim % does Indonesia have? It's one country that does not have So much imo.
But they still have boko haram style pirates, right? You can't even sail there without getting robbed and chopped to prices around the islands. I wouldnt call it a safe country.
But I'm sure as a tourist you can survive. That's only because they live off tourists though.

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10-11-2023 , 01:40 PM

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Pakistan is last on that list.
Qatar might be safe for its tourists
And not for its own women and minorities.
And Indonesia and Malaysia have constant terror threats, and are one of the few more moderate states with muslim laws more or less.
So idk WTF is the point here actually.

The US has constant terror threats. So do countries in the UK.

My point is you are trying to group all muslims together
When ppl disagree that not all islamic countries have the same positions tar them all with the same brush and act like they're all the same

And it shows youve got no nuance or idea what you are talking about

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10-11-2023 , 01:42 PM

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How many Muslim % does Indonesia have? It's one country that does not have So much imo.

But they still have boko haram style pirates, right? You can't even sail there without getting robbed and chopped to prices around the islands. I wouldnt call it a safe country.

But I'm sure as a tourist you can survive. That's only because they live off tourists though.

Largest Muslim population in the world and 86% of their population is Muslim.
You could plant me anywhere in that country besides a few places like Acheh or west Papua and I'd take my chances over pretty much any bad neighborhood in a major US city.

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10-11-2023 , 01:43 PM

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231million muslims

If you are having wrong opinions about easily googlable facts its demonstrative that everything your saying has zero credibility

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10-11-2023 , 01:44 PM

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Yh but in his opinion they dont have many muslims

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I have no idea? lol
I have an Iranian friend, who told me all about it. He says islamism is like a disease, they are all living in stone age. Thru are all backwards, do you get this. And he is a Iranian who grew up there
. US doesn't have all the terror that these countries have all the time. You have no idea what you are taking about. These countries that you talked are relatively moderate and still are hot spots of terror.

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yes I read that now.

But they are more or less the good Muslims imo and more moderate than in the middle east.
They were all converted from Buddhism anyways.

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I have no idea? lol
I have an Iranian friend, who told me all about it. He says islamism is like a disease, they are all living in stone age. The US doesn't have all the terror that these countries have all the time. You have no idea what you are taking about. These countries that you talked are relatively moderate and still are hot spots of terror.

63.5% malaysia
86% indonesia

Terrorism is a low chance of death or harm in most places globally- indonesia, malaysia, qatar etc.
There are some where its incredibly prevelant- Israel, afghanistan etc.

But regardless, your friend says islamism is a disease so he must know whats happening in these safe rich places like malaysia and its instantly transferable

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yes I read that now.

But they are more or less the good Muslims imo and more moderate than in the middle east.
They were all converted from Buddhism anyways.

So?

But yes, they generally follow a different branch of islam and have different culture and history to the arabic nations

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10-11-2023 , 01:58 PM

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Why do you form opinions on things when you dont know the facts behind it?

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10-11-2023 , 01:59 PM

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No it's not.

They are far away from Israel in Asia.
So they don't have to fight all the time.

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I didn't read passed this.

No point in continuing our discussion so.

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10-11-2023 , 02:22 PM

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So moving Jewish people to Israel was a genocide?

Offer every Palestinian a million dollars and five acres of land. War will end immediately

I am not sure what you mean in your first sentence. If you want to make the argument that what you're talking about is genocide then go ahead and do it. There is no point in trying to do a gotcha. I don't care.

I don't think your proposition is all that functional.

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Offer every Palestinian a million dollars and five acres of land. War will end immediately

That would send the price of ak47s and paragliders through the roof.

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10-11-2023 , 02:40 PM

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That would send the price of ak47s and paragliders through the roof.

PW has a child-like understanding of things like the size of populations or the finitude of money, or just the real world and pragmatism in general. Amongst his other ingenious ideas, he has also suggested that instead of putting criminal suspects in pretrial detention with a bail, we hire cops to "escort" them around until their trial date.

His answer to every societal problem basically reduces to "let's spend a million dollars per affected person and it'll fix it".

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10-11-2023 , 02:42 PM

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PW has a child-like understanding of things like the size of populations or the finitude of money. Amongst his other ingenious ideas, he has also suggested that instead of putting criminal suspects in pretrial detention with a bail, we hire cops to "escort" them around until their trial date.

A milly a piece is way cheaper than what this war will cost in terms of dollars not to mention human lives. The Palestinians are a valuable people. So are the Israelis. Let’s spend as much money and time as we can finding a peaceful solution

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When will you stop with this nonsense
pointless, it's pointless.

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10-11-2023 , 02:47 PM

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A large chunk of this ongoing problem is about land and how its history is entangled with two groups of people. The offer of money to people to abandon something that's part of their identity isn't going to appeal to everyone.

As long as both groups demand the right to live on it but refuse to live peacefully together, while accusing each other of having genocidal ambitions, it's hard to see a solution.

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10-11-2023 , 02:48 PM

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Don't underestimate Hamas, either their pure evilness or their capabilities. Their actual goal is to get as many Gaza citizens and Israeli's killed as possible, so they can win the real war and the propaganda war. And they have obviously been planning this a long time.

Israel had to resort so much to bombings in 2014 because Hamas was too prepared for a ground assault and Israel couldn't get through that way. And Hamas has had that much time to prepare and become even more sophisticated, and they claim AA capabilities on top.

Any incursion to depose Hamas is going to involve a lot of dead Palestinian civilians and Israeli soldiers. I am not even sure collateral damage is the right term, as the actual goal for Hamas is to get as many Palestinians killed as possible for the propaganda war purposes.

Shouldn't be overestimating Hamas either. Considering Israel's intentions, Palestinian civilians aren't factors. So we can look at it as a straight up fight between Hamas and the IDF. I'll go out on a limb and put the over/under for Hamas' existence in Gaza at 30 days after d-day, depending on Israel's intel especially with the tunnels and Palestinians outing Hamas operatives.

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The united nations has confirmed that 9 UN aid workers have been killed by Israeli bombs so far. so much for "targeting Hamas".

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10-11-2023 , 02:51 PM

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I believe you mixed that one up and it was palestinian or Lebanese bombs?

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10-11-2023 , 02:52 PM

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I think it is inhumane not to offer some refugee package before they are annihilated. The Israeli response will not be merciful, it will be complete and irreversible.

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10-11-2023 , 02:54 PM

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It's at least 22 Americans now.

'22 American citizens
Families in the United States and Israel continued to pray on Wednesday for their loved ones who were missing in the wake of the brutal Hamas assault that killed more than 1,000 people in Israel over the weekend, including 22 American citizens, according to U.S. officials.vor 57 Minuten
https://www.nytimes.com › israel-a...
What We Know About the Americans Missing or Killed in Israel'

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10-11-2023 , 02:57 PM

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One million dollars per Palestinian is 5 trillion dollars. The GDP of the US in 2022 was 25 trillion dollars. No, 20% of US annual GDP and 2% of total habitable US land area (don't forget the 5 acres each) is not "way cheaper than what this war will cost". You have zero concept of orders of magnitude.

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