It doesn't matter if he looks like a dumbass or not, the goal is the flood the zone with so much bullshit that any adult conversation about politics is impossible.

Yeah, they don't have any good options left: return the hostages and surrender or leave the area. And it's not just the water, it's the sewage too. I mean, imagine the Bronx without sewage for a month, not to mention air quality, disease, etc. And their tunnel system isn't going to save them because by the looks of things last night Israel has already started clearing them out with napalm runs. So the area won't be fit for normal human habitation for a while, as with most war zones.

Hamas was really savage killing the civilians in these manners

A lot of them don't see their enemy as people - that obviously includes the higher ups and is why this fighting will get worse.

Is this actually true??
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-w...onflict-attack

Words fail me, if so.

Some entire families have been killed after retreating to their safe rooms, which were breached.

Or changed the mind of some fools by brainwashing .

This is a pogrom plain and simple.

Nothing new under the sun from terrorist .

Two groups of terrorists - Hamas and the current state of Israel.

The Israelis don't seem to have given an official count yet of the number of people murdered at Kfar Aza. You need to be a bit careful, bearing in mind the improbable atrocity stories of German troops 'crucifying Belgian babies' in 1914. But Hamas are far worse than the Kaiser's troops, and it does seem to be clear that whole families were murdered, and this includes children and even infants.

The IRA, who were never freedom fighters (they always had the vote like everyone else), committed numerous appalling crimes, but nothing quite like this.

I think you may have just done a racism. And Iran, of course, is not an Arab country, and it's Shia and not Sunni, and Iran's leaders don't give a damn about Palestine, they're just playing regional power games. Hamas don't really give a damn about the Palestinian cause either, and they certainly aren't interested in the West Bank (which is Israeli-occupied, unlike Gaza). They just like killing people.

That decision was made before my time. I have learned since agreeing to be a mod that more users have multiple accounts than I had imagined. And a decent percentage of people with multiple accounts have had previous accounts that were banned. The poster formerly known as Kelhus is far from the only one.

My personal view is that it is pathetic to have multiple accounts unless the sole purpose of the second account is to ask anonymously for advice on a sensitive issue.

I don't know whether this specific story is accurate or not. Wartime reports on stuff like this are often unreliable. But it seems very likely that some entire families were deliberately killed.

I did not know you felt this strong about Ireland. maybe a bad example, I thought you were going to acknowledge that the brits messed with the Irish first but of course you are right in that it wasnt justified how they reacted.

Hamas? who is hamas? Just s bunch of guys, the footsoldiers of the middle East.. right? The ss troops of the leaderships. so they don't have to have credibility. All they are doing what someone told them to do. And these someone's sit in mosques and parliaments all over the middle east. good luck singling anyone out. this is a mass collective thinking/ convincement, right? Not anything the foot soldiers come up with.

So this is a such complex issue that is not solvable by taking out Hamas. They already tried. every time they try to cut off the head off this Dragon, 7 new heads appear.

Trolly's not one to talk anyway. Pretty sure he used to post as joe6pack.

Why racism? It is Muslims that attacked Israel. Like it always is. Right? where the leaders are from doesn't matter. But they are spread across everywhere there. It's a feature not a bug.

What happened is that Lebanon attacked Israel from the Lebanese side with Lebanese people and then Hamas claimed the attack.

So I don't know why we are talking about Palestine so much. It was an attack by Hamas from Lebanon.

Starvation is not supposed to be used against the general population in a siege situation, so Israel will probably back off on it. However, besieged forces are not supposed to put military assets in civilian areas, or in fact in any area of dense population at all, and Hamas does not observe any such rules, and of course Western 'liberals' think the law applies only to Israel and not to good old Hamas.

No, the attack came from Gaza. (Hamas doesn't really exist outside Gaza.) We still don't know if Hezbollah, Iran's catspaw in Lebanon, will join in. You seem a bit confused.

They are surrounded by Lebanon etc. these are all 'enemies' of israel since it is all Muslim countries that surround them. why gaza? the attackers came from Lebanon.

well the news say the attack oriniated from Lebanon with Lebanese fighters from Lebanese territory.

Even the first missiles came from lebanese headquarters which are always under schools kindergarden, and mosques. They use human shields.

I don’t think many Western liberals are defending Hamas right now to be fair. Seems to be universal condemnation from all major Western party leaders. Some fringe lefty types are, but they are fringe for a reason.

Hezbollah is already involved.
Attack came from Lebanon as you can read anywhere.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...es-2023-10-10/

yes. i do think the laws and norms should be applied more heavily against governments than rogue terrorist organizations. no one is defending hamas, the israeli government should be able to attempt to target hamas without starving and dehydrating a million kids under 18 though.

but again there are no "good" actors in this conflict. both the israeli government and hamas are bad. it's a shame that millions of citizens are subject to this.

I'm aware this might not be true and as you said, there are numerous false accounts throughout history of enemy barbarism. It sounds almost like hysteria. But again if true, then I really don't know what to say. I'm hoping it's fake news.