Trump is still incompetent and clearly over his head. He has improved dramatically over the past week.

Most of what Trump is doing is giving rambling press conferences. He is lying less, sure, but that is not commendable. Democratic governors are the ones who have actually put forth plans.

The Senate stimulus plan is a joke, btw. Telling the poor to **** off and die when they are the hardest hit

The republican Governor from Ohio is doing a remarkable job

Are you Tame_Deuces?

Anyways, I would NOT recommend blindly accepting WHO, or any other political body. I know we would all like to assume that such organizations are above politics, and would always put the public good over political concerns, but the truth is this isn't always going to be the case.

I think it is ok to start with a premise that they know what they are talking with, but to still keep our own brains working and use critical thinking to see if what they are saying maps onto reality. Clearly, in the case of the border closure narrative, it doesn't.

EVERYONE is closing their borders, including countries that already have a ton of community spread and those that have basically none and want to keep it that way (eg. UAE and New Zealand). At some point we have to accept that The WHO recommendations just were not very good or realistic, which is why no one is following them.

Also, I don't promote going full conspiritard. That being said, I think most of us clearly underestimate the political and economic pressure China puts on pretty much everyone else in the world to follow their propaganda scripts. I also think we underestimate how much control they have over the worldwide scientific community and are able to influence science based narratives.

After this is over even if we take a hit economically. we need to evaluate the pros and cons of our relationship with China

Cliff notes?

Google says he's shutting down all businesses, telling everyone to stay home, and putting a halt on any eviction proceedings for 3 months.

What else?

I know I'm not the only one who can think more than 10 minutes into the future and see why this is going to blow up in our faces in spectacular fashion. Do you think the banks are going to give the landlords a reprieve on mortgage payments? Is the government going to waive 3 months of property taxes?

We have a grease fire on the kitchen stove and we're bulldozing the entire house to prevent it from spreading.

Most of the rest of the world could probably make the same complaint about the US. That is what superpowers do. They make the rest of the world bend to their wills.

Before COVID-19, probably most of the rest of the world considered US interference a bigger problem than China. Now, who knows?

LOL

There's a reason we didn't do business with China until we became a neo liberal paradise.

This presser is mind boggling

"Even if we take a hit economically"
That's going to prove to be a large understatement I'm going to guess.

Which scientists are showing those spiked curves shown in this thread ?

China is a 3rd world, authoritarian country that the US propped up so the donor class could profit form selling our goods there. Let's not pretend they're some sort of player because of their own good ideas and evolution.

They have plenty of resources and plenty of consumers but if we didn't let them steal our technology what would they have ?

I mean besides deadly viral outbreaks every few years.

Im referring to the financial ramifications of China potentially no longer being a trade partner.

Makes more sense. Although I don't think that would happen.

Something needs to be done to force China to clean up their act. So something like this never happens again

Trump spends most of his time trying to deflect criticism, denying there is a problem, and blaming others.

Cuomo takes full responsibility for the actions, or inactions, of his jurisdiction.

Trump won't do anything until there is a huge amount of criticism and the people around him spend most of their time trying to convince him to do something.

Cuomo says, what are the problems and how can we fix them. He's out there doing everything in his power to get more of the essential items and testing by any channel he can.

Trump says he's not a shipping clerk.

It is a night and day approach to this.

Trump just got asked about the shortage of masks. His reply was that there is a low incidence of death with this virus.

Un****ingbelievable.

Sounds like Trump thinks the malaria medication is a game changer.

the OH gov is taking pretty much the exact opposite approach and response as your Dear Leader

Kel, my man. that HArvin guy came in here spouting about Chinese propaganda but he couldnt really give a coherent reason or example. maybe you could.

or is it really just about naming it the China Virus? or is there some actual important propaganda that we are following and is being promoting?

Well Biden is getting my vote in November. If i'm still alive. Im not taking anything for granted at this point

The democrats would be smart to tell Biden and Bernie to take a hike and convince Cuomo to run

I know you aren’t terribly informed but your analogy is ridiculous. This is a massive issue that is only going to continue to grow exponentially and we are failing to do basic things that could at least impact it.

What Trump is doing is like bulldozing a house in the epicenter of the Australian wildfires.

If the extreme measures work people will be “We so overreacted, look it wasn’t that bad” all without understanding what was going on and where it could go.

I suggest you study up on the data related to the spread of the virus in various countries and in total. It is pretty easy to draw some reasonable conclusions, all of which are extremely bad, with just a little bit of analysis.

I haven’t come across anyone who has actually informed themselves on what is happening, where the danger exists and how the exponential growth is like clockwork, that thinks we are being too excessive. In fact many countries are way behind Italy in terms of spread of disease and when Italy locked things down.

The only minor successes so far have come from extreme lockdowns or extensive testing. Neither one of those are practiced anywhere in the US.

Not to mention that the real danger is overloading hospitals causing people to go completely untreated and causing people with other illnesses and diseases from being unable to receive treatment either. That is when it is a full on disaster and why people are pushing so hard to spread the impact of the virus out. Of course the US government has yet to lift a finger to do anything to build up medical infrastructure or ramp up the production of necessary equipment like ventilators. All we have are a couple of navy hospital ships that can’t take corona patients and who will likely have nobody to work on anyways.

Like I said, nobody informed things there is any overreaction going on. Instead it is more of a horror show as the US federal government drags their feet on measures they could have taken a month ago that would have been paying off now to reduce the potential impact on public health and the economy long term.

Don't you follow the news. They have all these propaganda ministers saying stuff like the US military started the virus, it didn't start in Wuhan, all the cases they have now are being imported, etc. etc. etc.

And it is pretty well documented how their government stonewalled all information about the virus until it was too late, although our media isn't really doing too much digging there.

Hell, they threw out all our MSM in response to Trump calling it the Chinese virus. I am guessing at some point they will let our media back in, with the understanding that they are only to print exactly what they are told to print, or they will be thrown out again for good.

I admit is is a problem putting together the pieces when your media is completely compromised. But it isn't THAT hard to see a broad outline of what is going on.

Let Biden challenge him to a fight and the winner gets the nom.