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02-23-2022 , 01:49 PM
A few red, white and blue pancakes will offset all those woes. 'Merica!

By the way, you mentioned earlier that Covid is due to Chinese social media. Please elaborate on what you mean by that and what you think Covid really is compared to what you believe the government narrative is for that. Thanks!

All the best.
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02-23-2022 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You realize that with his hints about how he thinks Covid is a result of the Chinese social media that he is likely on the it was all a fake type of belief system (I assume for some sort of sinister government control of the sheeple reasoning), and as such all the very valid points you spent time trying to make to him will fall on deaf ears, though they were appreciated by others that you said them.
I get it.

I am writing what I write not for him but for people on the fence.

But what saddens me the most is that when you respond to my posts you don't say "All the best"
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02-23-2022 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Thank you for answering my question.

I certainly agree with you to the extent that SOME of the policies adopted by some states have at least arguably caused more harm than good. But likening such policies to a dictatorship is to my mind an overstatement.

Covid was and remains unique in the Post-Industrial Era, so obviously there are going to be mistakes made in dealing with something this serious.

I thought it telling that while you acknowledged that some of the patriots who gave their lives for freedom may have agreed with the Covid policies, those patriots would be the ones who weren't particularly bright.
Thank you for answering my questions.

“Covid was and remains unique in the Post-Industrial Era”

I’m not sure what’s so unique about it.

On an unrelated note, I consider Monteroy a troll and potentially abusive to me and other posters. Also (again, unrelated), I may be done posting here. I have spoken my piece (and peace), you have responded in kind, and I have responded in kind.

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02-23-2022 , 02:02 PM
Guess we will never know your hidden secrets about how this was all due to the Chinese social media. Oh well!!

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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
I get it.

I am writing what I write not for him but for people on the fence.

But what saddens me the most is that when you respond to my posts you don't say "All the best"
I will endeavor to change that in the future!

All the best.
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02-23-2022 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
There is a difference between eliminate and control. We control the spread of a large number of diseases with vaccines, hygiene and safe sex measures, medication, etc. Examples of diseases that are controlled to varying degrees include, but are by no means limited to: diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, smallpox, hepatitis, cholera, tetanus, flu, tuberculosis, typhoid, yellow fever, whooping cough, and various STDs.
Control is a strong (and potentially misleading, as thus damaging) word. I think contain is more accurate with what we’re taking about here.
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02-23-2022 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Kinda dishonest of you to deliberately omit the first part of my sentence: "To a large extent..."

No. But its not as dangerous as it used to be.

For me personally, colds are still quite common.

Agreed.

Please expand on this.
Lagtight, as mentioned before, I think I may be done posting here (at least for a while).

However, your post/response here prompts me to re-pose a question I posed in my previous response to you. What makes the coronavirus unique? New and unique are two different words/have two different definitions.

“ Please expand on this.”

I’d rather not go down that rabbit hole.
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02-23-2022 , 02:16 PM
Do not be afraid of your rabbit holes. Stand behind them in a patriotic manner with pride and glory. You want to fight for the American Dream by explaining what Covid is then stop being so wishy washy and speak your mind with no detail or rabbit hole left unspoken. The only one censoring you is you. After that get some red, white and blue pancakes.

Hey, you could at least pretend to put some value on the logical and genuine points Mr. Rick spent way more time than you deserve by replying genuinely to your stuff. Uncle Sam would do that, and so should you!

All the best.
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02-23-2022 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
I have been in favor of treating those who have gotten Covid just like people who have been vaccinated for a while now (I have posted it several times).

There are two issues with it though.

I assume people could get documented test results showing they have substantial enough antibodies. What I don't know would be how easy it would be to get falsified results or forged documents. At least with the vaccine cards it was pretty straightforward.

The other issue is for people who have two or more comorbidities. They represent 96% of those who are getting re-infected. If the point of vaccine mandates is to reduce the spread of Covid then there would have to be exceptions for people with 2 or more comorbiities, but I don't see how that would work. It wouldn't appear on their test results.

But now that we may be well past preventing the spread of Covid, it could be that we just let them do what they want and not worry about them.

I do like the idea of people being vaccinated and/or having gotten Covid to be able to participate in all indoor activities not because it will save lives but because it will reduce Covid related health expenses and pressure on health care workers, given that these are the people who will be hospitalized the least. I am long past caring about the health consequences for people who aren't vaccinated and haven't had Covid - at least those that can get vaccinated.
Yup.

Two quick replies.

We don't care check the antibody counts on the vaccinated despite it varying and waning very different. So we don't need that different standard for those with natural immunity. Yes some in the group may wane but this system was never meant to be perfect. Good enough should be good enough and immunity, regardless of how should be good enough.

Also, as you say, Omicron means we cannot prevent spread.

I told the recent story of my trip to the Vancouver testing center who basically said 'we don't GAF if you have covid or if you spread it. We will only test you if you are showing signs of being really sick and thus need hospitalization and other than go home and live your life'.

it was explained to me that 70% of transmission now is from Vax'd asymptomatic people, so trying to pull out another asymptomatic person (or mildly so) is really meaningless to the numbers.

Some people dumbly (like Trolly) take an absolutist position that every single case must be fought with every tactic while losing sight that it does not change the result. There simply is no compelling reason to lock down, anymore someone who has covid as it will not impact the spread.

You might have some inner family dynamics which might require it but not city or Province wide.
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02-23-2022 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gone2life
“If there is a measure of "a state's use of force against citizens", I'm not even sure we could represent the last two years and WW2 on the same scale in a meaningful way.”

I hope you’re not thinking or (mis)representing that I feel that way or stated that in any way.

“They're certainly not some Hollywood-esque facsimile that should be used as a shield against criticism and disagreement.”

I agree. Again, I hope you’re not thinking or (mis)representing that I feel that way or stated that in any way. I brought them up to illustrate a point (not to defend a point/as a shield) as well as to illustrate how ludicrous, harmful, and un-American the last few years were. Indeed, the truth of the matter is, many of the population, Netflix addicted, couch-glued, are the ones that think of them as a facsimile and defended lockdowns and their (and all our) freedom and democracy itself being taken away from us.
I will just reply to the bolded since you seem sincere.

Seriously get off right leaning media if you believe the bolded.

Vaccine mandates are not about freedom. Educate yourself on the history of vaccine mandates in America and elsewhere if you truly think they represent a change in the times from the good ole freer days. Especially pay attention the front line of freedom, the military.

If on your last point you are talking about the Trump efforts to destroy American democracy you got that right. If you are saying that is the vaccine efforts while ignoring Trump you may be hopeless lost.

But I hope at a minimum you google the history of Vaccination in the US and particularly the US Military and educate yourself.
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02-23-2022 , 11:08 PM
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02-24-2022 , 04:53 AM
Guess we know who one of that derp's 63 followers is...

All the best.
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02-24-2022 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
If anyone is interested in anecdotal experiences, I just got over having COVID for the second time, despite having all the vaccinations and the booster, and despite taking what I would describe as average precautions by NYC standards. (I got COVID the first time before vaccinations were available for my age bracket.)

I obviously can't say that the vaccines prevented reinfection in my case. But I did get much, much less sick this time around. This case was indistinguishable from an average winter cold. I assume the decreased severity was attribute to the vaccine, the milder Omicron variant, and random variance.
Glad to hear that "round two" was less unpleasant than round one.

Data clearly shows that outcomes are far better for the vaccinated.

Stay well!
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02-24-2022 , 09:38 PM
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Lagtight, as mentioned before, I think I may be done posting here (at least for a while).
So you've said several times (including other 2+2 Forums). Please do what's best for you.

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However, your post/response here prompts me to re-pose a question I posed in my previous response to you. What makes the coronavirus unique? New and unique are two different words/have two different definitions.
I believe the death-toll for Covid is much higher than any pandemic since 1917. Spread was fast and extremely lethal for older folks and other at-risk groups.

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“ Please expand on this.”

I’d rather not go down that rabbit hole.
Well, you're the rabbit who dug the hole. But I will not discuss it further unless you mention it again at some point in this thread.
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02-25-2022 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
If anyone is interested in anecdotal experiences, I just got over having COVID for the second time, despite having all the vaccinations and the booster, and despite taking what I would describe as average precautions by NYC standards. (I got COVID the first time before vaccinations were available for my age bracket.)

I obviously can't say that the vaccines prevented reinfection in my case. But I did get much, much less sick this time around. This case was indistinguishable from an average winter cold. I assume the decreased severity was attribute to the vaccine, the milder Omicron variant, and random variance.
You missed off that you have had it before and were sick. That could even be the biggest factor in the decreased severity second time.
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02-25-2022 , 09:42 PM
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You missed off that you have had it before and were sick. That could even be the biggest factor in the decreased severity second time.
Sure. That wasn't a deliberate omission. I'm sure that helped as well.
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02-25-2022 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Glad to hear that "round two" was less unpleasant than round one.

Data clearly shows that outcomes are far better for the vaccinated.

Stay well!
Thanks, lagtight.
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02-26-2022 , 09:59 AM
Ahh

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02-26-2022 , 10:37 AM
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Ahh

The link you are trying to access has been identified by Twitter or our partners as being potentially spammy or unsafe, in accordance with Twitter’s URL Policy.

The previous page is sending you to an invalid url.
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02-26-2022 , 11:18 AM
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The link you are trying to access has been identified by Twitter or our partners as being potentially spammy or unsafe, in accordance with Twitter’s URL Policy.

The previous page is sending you to an invalid url.
Idk what that link is or why it's doing that. The point is the thread he wrote.


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02-26-2022 , 09:30 PM
What is the anti biotic for covid-19?
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02-26-2022 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
My point wasn't really about whether the advice should be conservative or not. I object to the implicit message of "if you make X, Y, and Z sacrifices over the next six months, victory is at hand," regardless of whether X, Y, and Z reflect conservatism or recklessness.

The war will never be won -- not in my lifetime anyway. It will be as intractable as the war on poverty, the war on drugs, the war on crime, or the war on any other problem that can never be fully eradicated.

The best we can hope for is policy that strikes a reasonable balance between freedom and quality of life on the one hand and risk mitigation on the other hand.

You make some great points - post more please. Only thing I would add is that I worry about the ability of the current say 15-35 year old segment of the US population to think the way you do. So many in this country are wired for immediate gratification, self-centeredness and lack an ability to analytically break down data. So often people are relying on a warped perspective from news makers, etc. ideally your policy makers are rational decision makers who take the long view - whether they actually do that or not is a much broader debate
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03-03-2022 , 08:05 PM
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What is the anti biotic for covid-19?
azithromycin
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03-04-2022 , 12:31 AM
Shout out to Vlad Putin for canceling Covid.
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03-04-2022 , 11:02 AM
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‘Bot holiday’: Covid disinformation down as social media pivot to Ukraine
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Fisman noticed an “astounding” trend, he said. He posted about topics like requiring vaccination and improving ventilation to prevent the spread of Covid – and the nasty responses never came. No support for the trucker convoy, no calls to try the Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, for treason.

Others have observed the same phenomenon; those who frequently encounter bots or angry responses are now seeing a significant drop-off. Covid misinformation, which has often trended on social media over the past two years, seems to be taking a nosedive.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...e-social-media
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03-07-2022 , 10:56 AM
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Shout out to Vlad Putin for canceling Covid.
Yeah! Whats up with this? Nobody is talking about covid anymore.

In case anyone wondered what happened In my family, my mom had covid and gave it to my dad. He had no symptoms, both are fully recovered now. Was getting really freaked out since I never seen my mother like that. She completely lost her voice for a day or two.

So thanks to putin, covid is officially over, or what?

Corona, war, what's next? F man, none of that is good for economy or people in general.
Feels like getting sucked out on by a 2 outer.
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