video from May 2021. Probably need to tie this one with another of Fauci saying "science evolves, viruses evolve too".

lol.

B4, B5 are the new strains.
Reported to be Rho_zero = 18

(original 2020 strain R_zero = 3.3)

Is anyone following this enough to know if the new MRNA vaccine, specific (or more focused) to Omicron is completed and proven yet?

Having got shots 1&2 (Pfizer) and then covid a few months ago, my thoughts were that if I did get boosted at all (which I may not) it would be if there was a Fall/Winter uptick again, where it looked like hospitals might be strained. For me that is really the only thing I care to watch now. Hospital capacity. If you happen to be amongst those who suffer a tough covid infection but the hospitals are not burdened you chances of it being handled well are very high.

Seems to have finally caught me. Probably not a bad time to get it. Standard drugs and a healthy supply of bady fat sems to be doing the strick so far.

Omicron worrying egg heads with the low amount of natural immunity it creates.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2373...d-19-immunity/

Unfortunately OAFK11 has hit the nail. The vaccines have only marginal effect on the B4, B5 strains..... and that natural immunity (having been affected by C19 in the past) is not much help either. B5 is now over 50% of the new infections in the US. Anecdotally, people may be getting sicker than with Delta or Omicron.

QP, they are months away from bringing an effective vaccine to combat the B4/B5 variants. (And there is a "NEW" variant starting up as well)

Really beginning to suspect that the Chinese know something we dont.

I have always been suspect about how there were willing to train wreck there whole economy over covid instead of just throwing there population under the bus and telling them to suck it up and get on with it.

It just is hella suspicious.

I don't know the rules of this thread. Are we allowed to talk about the scientific evidence that the virus was engineered, which at this point most of the scientific and intelligence communities accept as the most likely scenario? Or are we still going with the wet market narrative?

Regardless, I doubt they actually "know" anything we dont at this point. They may (or may not) know how the furin cleavage site got in the virus. But by this point we all know it is there and what it does.

But they do have the political will and social cohesion to turn knowledge into action, which is probably more important at this point.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/b4-b5-c...da-coronavirus

"But hope is on the horizon. The F-D-A is asking Pfizer and Moderna to include the B4 and B5 variants in its next one shot-vaccine. "



they want us to take a shot every year for a new straint. where can I buy Pfizer stocks there bastards know how to make money!

“And when the new vaccine comes out don't look at it as a failure saying ‘well the old ones didn't work, why should i get one of the new ones?’ Look at it as a progression in in science, progression in vaccines, an upgrade vaccine, says Dr. Bush. “And I think we're going to be seeing them from here on out, a different vaccine every season.”

you would have been banned about 1.5- 2 years ago for saying that. your would have been fired from your job, your source of income, gone. frineds would have turned gainst you, your family might had broken apart. they didn't care they didn't apologize.

some people committed suicide because of getting cancelled and ruined and publicly shamed from shitstorms on the internet to kicking your kid out of school for even voicing that.

teared tared and feathered and dragged along the road they would you to humiliate you and your family.

but now it's fine to say it!

Probably all just population control/ conditioning over there.

by the way we are at b5.

that meant alpha was first or b1, then beta,

gamma, delta, and now omni.

planned is now a new gift in form of a new booster shot every year.

oh and the F- D- A IS ON IT! the same guys that allowed the sackler family to murder millions of Americans with fentanyl. how can the fda still be in charge is beyond me.

This is not even remotely close to being true, where do you get this from?

The consensus is still natural origin, lab leak origin is seen as very outside possibility that there is no real evidence for.

This is a report from our own intelligence committee. prepared for the President. Not surprising at all, the media and govt machine completely buried this report. Good chance this is the first time you have even been made aware it exists.



Here is an assessment made by David Baltimore, a Nobel winner and one of the preeminent virologists in the world with impeccable credentials. FWIW under pressure he later walked this back a little to say both lab leak and natural origins are possible.



--The most charitable interpretation of these assessments, along with numerous others, for the natural origin hypothesis is that we cant determine the origin one way or another, and lets not forget the reason and only reason we cant is the CCP refusing to cooperate. Consensus natural origin with outside possibility of lab leak is just your own personal truth, which is not founded in any objective reality. But hey, that's the world we live in now. Given how things are in the world today, at this point we should probably just be grateful the powers that be are even letting us point out reality.

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”
― George Orwell, 1984

So the first one says it could be two possibilities and the second is just one guy.

Do you understand what consensus means?

So when Nobel laureates with impeccable credentials in their field give an assessment based directly on evidence they are just a dude with an opinion according to your truth (at least when the assessment contradicts your own opinion that is). Good to know.

Anyways, you are the one that claimed consensus scientific opinion was natural origin. Looks like now you are the one making wild unsubstantiated claims.

If you claim consensus you have to show evidence of consensus, not the opinion of one individual, does not matter their credentials, absolutely irrelevant if you are attempting to establish consensus.

The incredible thing about your military cite is that it clearly refutes a consensus, loool, cmon bro.

If you make the claim of X, establish X, how is that hard to understand?


Look like this:

https://www.science.org/content/arti...nated-lab-leak

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

If you want to do individual scientists opinions that is easy also:

A new research paper adds to the evidence that COVID-19 came from animals, not a Chinese lab

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...in-of-covid-19

Link to study:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4454

I never used the word consensus. That was all you bro. And you clearly have not demonstrated this to be the case.

You basically regurgitated a social media talking point that there is consensus it was a lab leak with no independent idea if that consensus actually existed.

oak debunked and exposed for his ignorance.
nice job!

Oh so you are so crushed you have to go semantics route.

You said this:

So if most of a community believe something, that is not a consensus. **** off with that ****.

I have got a lot closer to establishing consensus that you have.

You have got nowhere except massive backtrakaments.

Hahaha amazing if you think that has happened, all you have done is display your ignorance to everyone.

Again.

OAFK = actual links to consensus claims.

Other guy = hand wave waffle whiff backtrackaments.

The article is about immunity from infection. it makes clear the view that the vaccines still seem to be effective against serious cases.

there's a lot of ccnertainty though as new variants emerge. Some may escape vaccine protection althogh there's no evolutionary pressure for them to do so (unlike with higher R and escaping immunity where the evolutonary pressure is very strong)