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07-16-2020 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Indeed. Well done. I think you might be getting there.
Dude that is just **** posting, throw out a catch phrase and hope it sticks.

The worst an independent committee can do is point out that due to racist/paranoid back benchers, we might spend too much on IT equipment.

Its easily spun away and amounts to nothing in the scheme of things.

Unlike Russians helped Boris win Brexit.
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07-16-2020 , 01:42 PM
That's bizarre, the government has faced rebellions over Huawei. It's being forced into changes of policy and its just the front line in the tensions building between the USA and China. Huge pressure is being put on the UK from both sides and the government is squirming. This is not just about some IT equipment ffs!

It's even brexit related because the only* sensible place for us to be when it comes to usa vs china pressures is with the EU.

*some may think it's in the warm embrace of the usa.
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07-16-2020 , 01:44 PM
The Government is removing Huawei from our 5G network. (due to backbenchers)

The committee look at this and finds?

Insert something reasonable and worse than Russians helped Boris win Brexit.

Absolutely nothing bizarre about you being unable to manage that insert.
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07-16-2020 , 01:54 PM
Holy cow.

Anyway another real issue is Galileo, oneweb etc. I look forward to another ridiculous dismissal of that as something the government wont be concerned about being scrutinised while they cower in terror about something a bit embarrassing about brexit.
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07-16-2020 , 01:55 PM
So no actual insert just very typical handwave.

Cant think of anything to do with Huawei, mention something else. Say holy cow for emphasis.
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07-16-2020 , 01:58 PM
We are only talking about a party/government built on the issue of Brexit.

I am sure they will be terrified that there base here's some bad news about oneweb.

This is is hilarious.

No one gives a single **** about your attempted tangents, they are half a paragraph on a website that gets removed after a few hours for an update on Katy Price.
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07-16-2020 , 02:02 PM
okay oaf. I think you've illustrated my point enough.
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07-16-2020 , 02:08 PM
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Dominic Raab belatedly acknowledges Russian threat – but why now?

Announcement hours after ISC agreed to release Russia report looks designed to distract
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...at-but-why-now

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Downing Street aides downplayed the Russia report on Thursday. They said it contains little new. This may well be correct. Nonetheless, their apparent insouciance sits oddly with recent events. Johnson has burned through much political capital by trying to keep the report secret. His treatment of Lewis, kicked out of the Conservative party on Wednesday for outwitting Grayling, was nothing less than vengeful. That was the view of Sir Malcolm Rifkind, at least.
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07-16-2020 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The ultimate hand wave post, ok oaf, I am forced to make a post that is a vacuum of argument, content and evidence, but is high on meangingless platitude. As predicted I am plumbing the depths.
FYP
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07-16-2020 , 02:23 PM
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The tensions over Huawei are not about trade, but global supremacy
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After repeatedly failing to convince British intelligence services that Huawei posed a national security risk, the US decided to force the UK’s hand by imposing new sanctions that cut off the company from international semiconductor supplies. This left the UK’s National Cyber Security Centre with little choice but to advise that Huawei equipment should not be used in the UK’s 5G network, souring relations between London and Beijing.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ral-capitalism
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07-16-2020 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Yes we know, but so what?

Again, the ISC looks at this, and finds INSERT HERE.

You dont have anything close to an argument until you insert here.
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07-16-2020 , 02:26 PM
Insert here must be worse than (from article I linked above):

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There are several areas of potential embarrassment for Downing Street that may explain the PM’s behaviour. One of the witnesses who gave evidence to the ISC in its old incarnation was the former intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who headed MI6’s Russia desk. In 2006 he led the investigation into the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, killed by two Moscow assassins using a cup of radioactive tea.

In a seven-page memo seen by the Guardian, Steele said he alerted British intelligence professionals in late 2016 to the possibility that the Russians had compromised Trump. The then prime minister, Theresa May, and Johnson as foreign secretary were briefed on this. But they allegedly chose not to investigate further, fearful of Trump’s reaction.

Steele also told the ISC there were “indications” that Moscow had interfered in and given “clandestine” funding to pro-leave groups. The then government didn’t pursue this either. Instead, according to Steele, it “threw a blanket” over both claims, putting party political interest and a UK-US trade deal above national security. More than their predecessors, May and Johnson were unwilling to call out Russian meddling, he suggested.
I have inserted, the insert is in your court. You could just say holy cow though and will probably do something along those lines rather than honestly attempt to progress your argument.

Last edited by O.A.F.K.1.1; 07-16-2020 at 02:38 PM.
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07-16-2020 , 02:29 PM
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Boris Johnson’s Huawei U-turn ‘entirely predictable’, says Dominic Grieve
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The volte-face, just six months after Huawei was given a 35 per cent share in the network, follows a Tory rebellion and pressure from Donald Trump and the Five Eyes intelligence allies, including Australia.

US sanctions to prevent Huawei using American technology in its chips then triggered a formal review by the National Cyber Security Centre. Former ISC chairman Dominic Grieve said the Government should have heeded pressure from its allies in the first place.

“The truth is that it was never going to fly. The outcome was entirely predictable,” he said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4497611.html
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07-16-2020 , 02:35 PM
Insert here:

So far=




Just posting news articles about Huawei says nothing.
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07-16-2020 , 02:55 PM
It might help if you genuinely didn't understand that the key issues are serious issues and very real politics.
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07-16-2020 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1



I have inserted, the insert is in your court. You could just say holy cow though and will probably do something along those lines rather than honestly attempt to progress your argument.
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It might help if you genuinely didn't understand that the key issues are serious issues and very real politics.
Bolded is quoted for truth, another classic post empty of argument, content or evidence but full of handwave goodness.

There are plenty of serious issues and very real politics, you have yet to get close to substantiating or expounding upon in anyway how the issue you are handwaving for grim life for, relates to the this issue.

All you have to do is

insert here.

Fully expect another complete handwave of AIDS in reply.

Last edited by O.A.F.K.1.1; 07-16-2020 at 03:39 PM.
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07-16-2020 , 03:43 PM
So you now agree that Huawei is not just about a bit of IT. Also plenty of other very serious issues that will come under the gaze of this comittee?

Can you take the tiny step to scrutiny being awkward for the government?

Can you understand why they would want to have some control over the narrative?

Can you understand why grayling would be very attractive to them?
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07-16-2020 , 03:54 PM
I have already acknowledged all those completely no **** sherlock things. Stop handwaving, or do you think pointing out those things is some kind of revelation.

wat? Cmon, who are you playing to, just stop.

What you have not acknowledged is how scrutiny of those things will reveal anything worse than what I have suggested.

The tory party is already reacting to Graylings fail, there are pictures of Corbyn all over the news cycle holding the redacted talks between USA and UK, "proof" of Russia helping Labour.

Huawei is an issue, but its not something that is going to have massive forbearance with the ISC, its much more relevant to trade etc, its a done deal, its going, what will ISC looking at that find that is so embarrassing Boris will helicopter in Grayling. Nothing, and to suggest otherwise is pure absurdity.


Its good you are admiting its obviously nothing to do with Huawei, how could it be, and are now trying to claim other issues, but cmon, if you are going to do that, you still have to do the one thing I have done.

Insert here.

Without insert here you just have a very weak random cool story bro hypothesis that aint worth a fart in the wind.
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07-16-2020 , 04:08 PM
ok so bluster aside you can now acknowledge there are serious reasons for the government to want grayling that go into the future and way beyond a bit of embarrassment about the russian report?
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07-16-2020 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Meanwhile decisions over Huawei are being taken in the name of security when it's in large part being driven by politics - that alone is a massively bigger issue then this report.
The government is quite clear that the decision relates to US sanctions, though it does also reflect reasonable security concerns. Huawei is a Trojan horse.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...tworks-by-2027
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07-16-2020 , 04:22 PM
'Quick, chaps! Let's look as if we're jolly tough on Russia! And could we all avoid mentioning Dominic's time in Russia, please?'

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07-16-2020 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
The Court of Appeal has ruled that she may return to the UK to fight her case in the British courts. So that's something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53427197
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07-16-2020 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
ok so bluster aside you can now acknowledge there are serious reasons for the government to want grayling that go into the future and way beyond a bit of embarrassment about the russian report?
No, stop.

Its obviously to try and stop publication of the report, the other issues are just bread and butter issues that normally find their way across the desk and Boris would not give a single **** about if there was some negative news or whatever because politically, some bad news about onenet is nothing.

Unless, Insert here.
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07-16-2020 , 04:34 PM
just bread & butter lol

Maybe you have some ludicrous faith over boris' ability to butter this bread without any scrutiny he might want to avoid.

jesus
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07-16-2020 , 04:37 PM
As you seem to know nothing about the security issues over leaving Galileo or about one web, I know you will appreciate some starter links

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“The fundamental starting point is, yes, we’ve bought the wrong satellites,” said Dr Bleddyn Bowen, a space policy expert at the University of Leicester. “OneWeb is working on basically the same idea as Elon Musk’s Starlink: a mega-constellation of satellites in low Earth orbit, which are used to connect people on the ground to the internet.

“What’s happened is that the very talented lobbyists at OneWeb have convinced the government that we can completely redesign some of the satellites to piggyback a navigation payload on it. It’s bolting an unproven technology on to a mega-constellation that’s designed to do something else. It’s a tech and business gamble.”

Giles Thorne, a research analyst at Jeffries, agreed. “This situation is nonsensical to me,” he said. “This situation looks like nationalism trumping solid industrial policy.”

Every major positioning system currently in use – America’s GPS, Russia’s Glonass, China’s BeiDou, and Galileo, the EU project that the UK helped design before losing access to due to Brexit – is in a medium Earth orbit, Thorne said, approximately 20,000km from Earth. OneWeb’s satellites, 74 of which have already been launched, are in a low Earth orbit, just 1,200km up.

Bowen said: “If you want to replace GPS for military-grade systems, where you need encrypted, secure signals that are precise to centimetres, I’m not sure you can do that on satellites as small as OneWeb’s.”

Rather than being selected for the quality of the offering, Thorne suggested the investment was made to suit “a nationalist agenda”. OneWeb is nominally a UK business, with a UK HQ and spectrum rights registered in the UK through Ofcom.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...galileo-brexit
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