Very good analysis. Thank you for wading through the muck to sort this out.

And remember. Gioia did not explain this accurately months ago because he was concerned that someone would steal his idea.

Contains elements of comedy and tragedy.

I got an email from a rakeback provider about a new prop site, real deal poker. So I checked out the website then read through the first 8 pages of this thread and the last 2. Looked at the flash instant play and they had 4 players online about 12 hrs ago and now have 86 players on. For a prop it's **edit** fairly generous. Not that i'm ever going to create an account here anyway.

if true it just seems like another example of "if you aren't with us gtfo" policy.

if it's not so unreasonable as to deter their customers, then surely it's ridiculous in that they actually EXPECT their customers will pay it. looking to grab every bit of profit generated off the same fears you claim your site seeks to allay is outrageous.

or maybe it's just brilliant.

It costs 50 Euro. I don't think they expect to sell many of those. They probably expect that the guarantee will satisfy users. They say if you request an audit and it does not prove that the cards dealt in the hand came from a random shuffle, then they pay you back 100 times the fee plus reverse all results of the hand.

How can a player be sure the game is fair? In addition to our unique Game Check™ certification, for a small fee, any player can call for an independent, third party audit of any game, current or past. All game data, including the video capture of the deck is sent by the Real Deal Poker server to the independent auditing agency to enable them to compare the game results against the deck that was supposed to be used in that particular game. Within 5 days or less, the player will get the results of the audit from the auditing agency. If the game was dealt as constituted, it will be certified. If the auditor finds any irregularities and it cannot be certified, all players playing at that table during that hand will have their money returned to them and the person calling for the audit will have their account credited with 100 times the cost of the audit.

Some good questions have been raised about just how they prove it, since the physical shuffle does not get dealt, but some derivation of it based on some timestamps, yada yada, "yes sir, this is the reshuffling algorithm we used on your hand, we promise." Or it might just be that this "third party auditor" just says everything is cool, and that's all you get. I think there might be more info about this on the site when you are logged in, under Security. You can't go there from the U.S. (but could a while back).

We won't know for sure what an independent, third party audit of a hand looks like until someone pays for one and posts the results here.

Not very likely, since the value of the pots is much less than the audit fee.

At $50 a shot it's unlikely because even the most die-hard rigtard must acknowledge that BB's happen occasionally. So even if he thinks the overall deal is BS, picking one hand to have examined isn't going to be easy.

I hear a $100k pot just went down between durrrr and Ivey on Real Deal today, Phil submitted an audit request after his JJ didnt hold against AK. More to follow.

I'd like to order an audit of this thread, and I want 100 times my time spent reading it back.

It's just Bull****, nobody is ever gonna play there

Just because you are shuffling cards in a machine to replace the RNG, this doesn't mean that the programming cannot be rigged to spit out whatever it's owners and management team want to benefit themselves.

Marketing to "The Rigtardigans" was just a serious "FAIL" just like their site is already appearing to be.

yawn...

The have their own trademarked spelling now: "Rigg"Tards

Just like that, quotes and all. Details matter in professional marketing you know. Oh wait....

this

You did not photoshop that Spade?ROFL I thought it was one of the best Photoshop's I've seen. Just amazing.

Every image I posted was an unmodified screen capture from the RDP presentation, including the "Rigg"Tards and the Burn on the quad kings (which was left on screen from the burn before dealing the river, but still hilarious).

actually deposited some dollar and played a little. the software is okay. they must have bought it from everleaf gaming network. its actually pretty okay from the speed but in every round the button must choose where he wants to cut the deck. that is one thing that could be improved.

its just a pokerroom like any other else. just attracting more fish. but they will probably stay pretty small of course. I dont know what they expected and how they are going to make profit with it :E

atm it seems like there is really maximum maybe 50 ppl online at peak..

I thought they did not accept US players and dollars were not used. I thought it was Euro's or pounds.

seems to be in euro.

man, I just wanted to type anything with "fun" into the chat but it was censored and only *** appeared.

seems like fun is forbidden at this network.

So wait this shining paragon of fairness in a corrupt online poker world is hiring prop players? Now I propped for a while and know there's nothing fishy about it but wont the riggies this site is aimed at be a little suspicious when they find out there are essentially house players making up the majority of the liquidity on the site?

This site is an awesome social art project. The best level I've seen for a while.

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Did you read this to article the bottom Icy?

Oh wait where is the hardware based seed generator?

http://www.realdealpoker.com/templat...ker/webcam.php

i read this thread every once in a while and im convinced this entire poker site, thread and concept are all just part of one huge level to **** with me late at night

this just cant be real

Holy crap. If true then this is an awesome scam.

Would be even more awesome if they tried to set up a few beats in there in order to entice people to send them the $50 investigation fee.

like are there people who truly buy into the concept of this site? i mean that's kind of an incentive to play there cause these people have to be so stupid

When people talk about audit the hand -- hand is singular. There is no meaningful test that can be done to establish fairness based on a single hand of poker. What are you suppose to get for $50?

The hand can be selected at your game of choice so if you feel that there has been foul play then the entire game is audited by an established third party auditing firm. Do you think that they would risk their reputation for 50 euros? Also if you choose an audit and it it comes back illegitimate the odds are 100/1 in your favor. Why would you bash anyone for providing this kind of guarantee? I do think that they should have something in place that allows you get a free audit check on a game of your choice if you are a frequent player on the site.