I guess I'm putting some more money back on Stars now.

Good Job guys!

haha, as expected, fullstackers won't be happy until pokerstars direct deposit fish's money into their accounts

so what kind of winrates will be attainable in the cap games?

imo majority of the fish will just play cap now 50bb tables are gone...

Unfortunately this won't work either due to DOJ and processor issues.

I was winning at 2.5bb/100 at the .25/.50 CAP games, obviously that was before the change though, so I haven't tried other limits since .25/.50 was pretty much the only choice unless you played nosebleeds.

40-100bb for heads up if you'd be so kind.

If not, 20-100bb is fine please just get rid of the 2 table types, it is the most unnecessary thing ever HU

Well done Stars!

Before we worry about ss fish migrating how are they even going to deposit? PS has shut off all deposit options for US now

Good changes though.

First of all, let's get one thing straight. No limit and cap limit are two different betting structures. Here are the definitions of both the no limit and cap limit betting structures within poker. I'm sure we can all agree on them:

No limit: "A game played with a no-limit betting structure allows each player to raise the bet by any amount up to and including his entire remaining stake at any time (subject to the table stakes rules and any other rules about raising)." [1]

"There is no restriction on the maximum amount of bet in no limit games. You can bet your entire stack on one bet at any time in the game." [2]

Cap limit: "Hands in a cap limit or "capped" structure are played exactly the same as in regular no limit or pot limit games until a pre-determined maximum per player is reached." [3]

"In some no-limit and pot-limit games, there is a maximum amount any player can bet in one hand, or 'cap' on betting." [4]


Second, your entire argument is based solely on the statement that you will be playing both no limit and cap limit, and that you will find it annoying to go back and forth between the lobbies. Need I even tell you how silly this argument is, and how little weight it carries?

What if I want to play both fixed limit and no limit at the same time? What if I want to play both PLO and NLHE at the same time? Should Stars put them in the same lobby as well? The decision to have different tabs for different betting structures of a game is designed for the reason that they are, indeed, different betting structures, not to make it difficult for you to play both at the same time.


In regards to no limit and pot limit sharing tabs, I agree that it's also faulty given that they are two different betting structures, but it has its reasons. As far as I know, the pot limit games have never been very popular, so them having a tab of their own doesn't seem warranted. However, the cap games are much more likely to be popular, and should then have their own tab.

Not only because it's a different betting structure from limit, no limit and pot limit, but also because people that want to play cap should have an easy time finding the games. Just like people that want to play no limit should have an easy time finding those games. Pot limit games could have their own tab as well, but it seems like an insignificant change given how rarely those games run, and what a small percentage of the total games they represent.


I also think that Stars should immediately update their Texas Hold'em explanation page to include cap as one of the mentioned and underlined "major variations of Hold'em at PokerStars". [5] If you are going to introduce cap games on a large scale you should do it properly, and have them properly explained and represented on your site.


As for the numbered sources, I'm sure there are many more sites that agree with the quoted definitions for the different betting structures, as well as most poker players in general. It's common knowledge, really.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betting_(poker)#no_limit
2. http://www.777onlinepoker.com/unders...o-limit-games/
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betting_(poker)#Cap_limit
4. http://poker.about.com/od/pokerglossary/g/cap.htm
5. http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/texas-holdem/

You must either be clairvoyant or maaaybe it's because you lived in the SSer thread where putting the 20bb Cap games on another tab was probably the most suggested topic recently. This was almost as good as when you repeated ~100x that "fullstackers got what they wanted with 20-50bb tables, yet they are never satisfied".

LOL at separate tab for CAP games. When we compromise we shouldn't be asking for things like that.

thank you pokerstars for these changes! especially the changes at $10nl and $25nl!

please put the CAP games in a seperate tab to No-Limit. there are clearly 20bb LIMITS in CAP games and is therefore not No-Limit.

the one question most people have seemed to miss, what will happen to all the players currently playing 20-50 at NL25? will they all move up to NL50 cap and get crushed?

+1

The white wizard speaks

wow this is so great, wp stars!

When did this happen? I deposited via e-check like... less than two weeks ago.

+1

red elf needs food badly

I guess? I suppose I never realized a $10 buy in was so soul crushing.


Seriously though, any explanation as to why cap games aren't available at less than NL50? I mean, I guess it'll be nice when fish try the cap games realize they can make Supernova on $10 buyins, but still.

eChecks are now shut off in a bunch of states. I made a deposit a month ago and I got a pretty email saying they never got the money from months ago and they deducted 500 from my account

I just deposited $100 on stars to see if this was the case. It let me deposit just fine...and i deposited about 2 weeks ago as well (just started playing again...didn't busto...but I am just a part time micro guy)

Well done Stars.

The eChecks usually will go through, I will however warn you 15-30 days later do not be shocked if they get recalled.

offtopic...sidetracked

I don't play in this tables, and i don't have nothing against you, but only can say one thing: fy.

echecks not related to the new cash game structures