say I have 20 BB on the button.
MY hem says I get called 30% of time on my pushes.
7 times SB/BB fold = $10.5 dollars AT .5/1 tables.

3 times I get called. $10.5 / 3= $3.5 per hand

30% sb/bb calling = 15% hand range average. 20bb or $20-$3.5= $16.5 dollars per hand break even point.
example:

I push $20 and BB calls. Pot is now $40.50, but my break even is $16.50 + rake because of the 7 times folded. $40.50 raked is $38.50 and i need to win above $16.50 or 43% of there calling range wich is 15% on average. I pull out pokerstove and find wich hands are 43% or better equity against a 15% calling range.

That's short stacking friend. The advantage comes from the ratholing or going south wich pokerstars does for you at the CAP tables.

+1

The logic is irrefutable.

agree.
20bb cap is similar to standard NL games, the only difference is effective stack sizes is smaller with CAP. You can still raise or bet any amount you want on any street up to the capped amount.

I also mix games so a different tab would be annoying. Full Tilt doesn't separate CAP into a different tab, let players use the filters to display or hide the games of their choosing.

LOL @ all the people lobbying for a seperate tab for CAP games here.

Love the change

they just scared that all the fishies will go to the CAP tables, then they'll still cry foul when their 100bb games are still full of regs.

I want to say I think CAP needs its own tab. It's simply NOT NLHE and all the problems we've had have been because two different games were in the same sandbox. Steve said CAP games may extend to other sizes like 30bb or 50bb. If that happens, we run the risk of more problems that we've had in the past. CAP is a form of hold'em so keep it there BUT it's NOT no limit so give it its own tab.

LOL. They want pokerstars to hide the small buy in games. Next they want the lettering on the CAP TAB to be real small wait and see.

and can anybody explain me, why are they cutting the 20-50bb tables?
what's so bad in them? 20-50 bb are more popular then 40-100bb and are also played on 25-50 (where the cap game exists for a long time). If there will be no 20-50 bb , there will be no game with 20-40bb stack available on stars ( and allmost all other rooms have it)

+1

Pre-announcement: "It's going to be hilarious when all the fish move to CAP."
Post-announcement: "aajfkl;35425u08us9a0fduajkl;j2 ****ing CAP f25#$#@% cashing out now."

Was that thinly veiled desperation we were hearing earlier from a lot of the 1 post wonders?

1.) No structural edge against deeper stacks
2.) Fishies might go away
3.) Volume of tables might be too low

+2


and lower the rake at micros please!!!

cap should be in a different tab, by definition it's capped so it's not no limit. totally different game.

Of course CAP is no limit. Duh.

As Doyle says, REAL no-limit would mean you could bet your entire net worth at any moment, and if Villain can't match it, he has to fold. This variation was actually played way back when, but didn't last, for obvious reasons. Every other no-limit game is "table stakes" and the only distinction is what exactly those table stakes are.

People are going to argue for whatever is in their best interests of course (which is how to steer the fish in their direction) but it's completely clear that objectively it should be grouped with the no-limit games.

A 50bb Cap table and a 40bb Min Buy In non cap table can be played both with the same stack and betting structure between 40-50bb stacksize. They are closer together than to a 40bb min Buy In Pot Limit table.

A new TAB for CAP tables is reasonable for 20bb CAP but not for 50bb imo. But on the other hand 50bb CAP tables are not reasonable in itself with the new changes

How about PL is it the same? But they are on the same tab that's just ridiculous wanting the fishes to go to ur tab. So lame...

Table ninja for CAP tables NOW!!!!

And LOL at 40BB tables not being short stack. I'm sitting with 40bb and raise 5bb and a deep stack 3-bets. Taking into account just a little fold equity I can shove 40% equity against his 3-bet range lol lol lol. Good luck 3-betting light

So raise to 2bb...

So much fail in so few words. If a guy is sitting with 200bb at a NL table, his effective stack is 200bb (assuming other 200bb stacks obv). If the same guy were at a Cap table instead with 200bb, his effective stack is always limited 20bb... hence CAPPED, and NOT NL.

Neither is pot limit but they are together in the lobby. Why is no one crying about how PLHE needs it's own tab?
Stars does what all the cry babies ask for and you all still cry that they are not directing the players right to you. Maybe they should just seat people at 40-100bb as soon as they log in. Hell make it a rule they have to play 3 rounds before they can play the game they choose to play.

ok i lolled.

Like I said ealier:

Whatever. If putting CAP in it's own tab means we're out of line with PL being in the NL tab, by all means move PL to it's own tab. I certainly won't complain about those 3% of tables having to move.

It wouldn't bring tears to my eyes if pot limit was moved to another tab and if it meant CAP was moved to its own tab, I'd snap call. But, the reason pot limit can stay is because it plays like no limit. You can get a 100bb stack allin by the river if you keep betting pot.

Make no mistake though, ratholers will keep lobbying for ANY possible way they can leech off our game and stay in our tab.