i think only the 50nlhu tables are 20-100bb. this is precisely to appease the fish who want lower stakes HU and are happy with a $10 minBI here. (the regs know better) 20bbers are usually very bad players but also hit and run a ton. i really dont mind having the 50 tables be 20-100bb, i view it as the alternate-micro-buyin-range of hu games. these are mostly quite profitable-to-play opponents you are turning down who probably wouldnt sit deeper anyway, and if they would have, will frequently rebuy bigger on busting

actually the entire existance of this thread reminds me how regs think like regs and not like the fish and dont always know whats good for them. average fish skill level is ever rising and i thikn a fair few of them care about buyin ranges. things at 6max wre fine before the 20-50bb tables now all the fish flock there and will be disappointed to find them gone again. ran into this probklem at plo 6max as well when i was looking into learning the game, 40-100bb micro tables there practically go unused.

25hu would work only if they raked it lower than any other hu games on the site. if more sites did this id argue for a lower rake schedule on 50 and 100hu as well, you pay a BI in rake every ~1.5k hands at 50 just about everywhere (not singling any site out)

I suppose there could be just a tiny tab with no writing until you scroll the mouse pointer over it and it pops up with the games featured under that tab, lol.



But in all seriousness, obv it doesn't really matter where they put the cap games. I am sure stars realizes that no matter what they do, they will never make everyone happy. I prefer 100BB+ stacks, but actually got used to mixing in the 20-50BB tables. I have never played a CAP table and doubt I ever will unless I am in the mood for some flips for small stacks. If the good shortstackers can play them profitably, then more power to them.

Nice change.

Now I'm considering moving to Stars.

why take cap off for 10 nl?

just come sit with $10...it's not that much ;-)

lol at everyone continually writing CAP in caps. what does cap stand for again?

short for capped?

blame Pokerstars Steve, I believe he started the CAP thing in the op.

Calculated Allin Pots

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First of all well done @Stars!

Second, I think the Tabs should be: No Limit - Pot Limit/CAP - Fixed Limit - Play Money.

And then...
This is true isn't it? This actually makes it easier for SSSler, doesn't it?

I like that!

Rather than separating all of the Holdem games - just have one lobby for holdem.

Place FL, NL and Cap in the same lobby. With the colour coded for each different game type.

Blue for NL
Red for Cap
Green for FL

Have the feature for sitting at the table with different lighting high glowing for seated, light glowing for waiting - normal for none.
Only have one spare table per limit and game type.
Separate sub lobbies by FR, 6M and HU - we need to isolate HU because HU is bad for the poker economy.

The number of players is far more of difference than the betting structure.....so if HU holdem can exist on its own so be it - but they should not have the benefit of being in the same lobby as FR or 6M players.

think cap should be hidden for say 9 months or whatever it was the full stackers had to suffer through the 20-50 tables

and in unrelated news, suicide rates quadrupled in the color blind population within the last 24 hours.

QFT

+1, simplicity is best

No, you're wrong. 'Fixed limit' means you can bet or raise a fix amount on each action, 'no limit' means you can bet or raise whatever you want. In cap games you can bet or raise you're whole stack on every action, thus it's no limit. Don't be ridiculous. Cap just means your stack is always what the cap is, or smaller. A 100bb cap game wouldn't be 'no limit', even if it's no limit?

Again, you're wrong. Unfortunately 20bb is so popular that stars doesn't get rid of it. Time will tell if fish continually will join 20bb cap tables though. I'm not sure how exciting these games will be for recreational player if there is little post flop action, but that's for them to decide. Certainly some will like it and others won't.

How can you say that CAP players have been leeching off 'your' game? It's new to stars and for FTP it's certainly a ridiculous statement. Stars basically got rid of ratholing with 20bb cap games and 40bb min buy-in on normal tables. So good job on that I guess. If people play a midstack strategy on the new normal tables and leave with 70 or 80bb it really shouldn't concern anyone. They don't ruin the table quality like a 20bb stack would. It's like complaining about people who buy in for 100bb on deep stack tables and leave with 200bb. It's just whatever.
Also, I highly doubt that cap games will confuse a lot of people. I've never seen anyone ask on FTP, it's easy to understand. If a recreational player sits at a cap table and doesn't really understand the pop-up explanation they probably just close the table and join a normal one. No harm done.

I like to qualify short-, mid- and fullstacked poker with the opportunities you have preflop. Shortstacked poker allows you to shove over a raise and have foldequity (duh), midstacked poker allows you to 3-bet preflop and fold to a shove, and fullstacked poker allows you to 4-bet preflop and fold afterwards. Anything beyond that can be called deep. 40bb certainly isn't short (you're wrong again! oh snap). Anything beyond a 40bb min buy-in on 100bb max tables would be silly. And by the way, 30bb cap plays like midstacked poker while in 100bb max games 30bb might play like a shortstack.


I don't see how any fullstacker can complain about what stars did. The only thing you could argue about would be that 20bb cap sucks in itself. It might. But for anyone who doesn't like to play short this doesn't matter. There is no need for different tabs whatsoever.

FIX HU TABLES

Why on earth would Stars make it difficult for players to enter the 20bb cap games? These will be hugely profitable for Stars and prevent the 100bb pros from quickly taking all the fishes money. Instead the money will be raked away in the 20bb games straight into Stars' pocket.

Oh and the 20bb games are just a modified NLHE, since they follow NLHE rules but with a 20bb cap. Why are people arguing over semantics?

Okay shorties let me ask you, did fish come to online poker watching negreanu play deep poker or 20bb poker?

Stop leeching off NLHE popularity, they are NOT the same game.

No limit hold'em means that you can bet your entire stack that you are sitting with at anytime. In a cap game you can't because it's capped. If I am sitting with a 500bb stack and the cap is 100bb it would mean that there is a 100bb limit for me to bet so it wouldn't be no limit anymore. In my opinion cap is not nl hold'em.

I don't play on stars and have no interest in the outcome of this but you are completely incorrect and illogical. Too many 100bb players in here being stupid.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You can bet your entire stack in a cap game, your entire stack is the cap (or less). Money over the cap is practically not in your stack. I mean, seriously, let's say a bunch of pros play a big game which gets really deep. They decide to cap the action at 100bb or whatever to keep swings in place (I heard of this a while back with Farha and Townsend I believe). Now you go and tell them that they didn't play NLHE.
I'm sorry to say it, but your opinion doesn't make much sense.

No, they did not play NLHE because they could NOT bet their entire stack that they were sitting down with and there was a 100bb LIMIT. I am sorry to say but what you are saying doesn't make any sense.