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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,503 34.89%
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5,607 55.85%
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930 9.26%

03-08-2016 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
You won't reply to any of the questions that others have asked you, so why should anyone answer your dumb and oft-repeated question?

I'll ask you another one:

Have you stopped fisting yourself? Yes or no?
This is the only poker forum where the moderators are putting the poker community down when they ask questions and debate. This is a debate on rigged poker for people to come in and say whatever they want about rigged poker not to insult the peoples opinions or questions. If you want everyone that disagrees with you to leave 2+2 just say that no need to insult them.
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03-08-2016 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cashmoney111
This is the only poker forum where the moderators are putting the poker community down when they ask questions and debate. This is a debate on rigged poker for people to come in and say whatever they want about rigged poker not to insult the peoples opinions or questions. If you want everyone that disagrees with you to leave 2+2 just say that no need to insult them.
A moderator is just a poster that volunteers to help out - they're still allowed to post in the same fashion as they would if they were not a moderator.

And perhaps you haven't noticed, but this thread is pretty loosely moderated, and a lot more is let go than might be elsewhere.
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03-08-2016 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cashmoney111
This is the only poker forum where the moderators are putting the poker community down when they ask questions and debate. This is a debate on rigged poker for people to come in and say whatever they want about rigged poker not to insult the peoples opinions or questions. If you want everyone that disagrees with you to leave 2+2 just say that no need to insult them.
I don't put any member of the poker community down when they ask genuine questions or debate in a reasonable fashion. That guy asked the same one dumb question, ("Do you claim with 100% certainty , that you are confident not one online poker site has ever engaged in RCG/ software rigging, since the inception of online poker ? Yes or no ?"), over and over again, and did not debate. Most of the poker community thought he was simply a troll and wondered how that account of his had lasted so long when his previous account/s had already been banned for making similar posts.
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03-08-2016 , 07:26 AM
They are like christian apologist.
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03-08-2016 , 01:12 PM
What where those 10 commandments Monty came up with ?
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03-09-2016 , 07:33 AM
how is possible a small site as Unibet with 2000 players or whatever to generate so much action with nuts over nuts .From yesterday since today i hade at least 15 situation with full house vs full house.I dont think this is possible ! Pokerstars i can understand that they have millions of hands per second but Unibet?I dont think i ever seen in my life such an disgusting random number generator with nuts over nuts all the time
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03-09-2016 , 07:36 AM
Heres the thing

Do I come away from a losing session online thinking the site is rigged
Yes pretty much every time
Do I actually think the site is rigged
No, Never in a million years

I imagine it has been said on here hundreds of times by people much more qualified than me but why on earth would they risk losing everything to "steal" a few dollars from me when they are making obscene amounts of money for providing a legit service.
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03-09-2016 , 08:15 AM
i dont think is about stealing money by being rigged, i think that they are trying to make an equilibrium between skilled players and unskillked .
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03-09-2016 , 09:58 AM
Good point Pecal but I'm not convinced
In this day and age and with all the talented hackers and cyber geeks out there surely somebody would have exposed any frauds or rigging.

Whenever I take a really bad beat instead of going off on a rant about the rigged site I remember the terrible beats I have inflicted on others. Last week I re raised a pot pre flop with air with the intention of stealing the pot on the flop. I managed to get all the money in as a 0.3% dog. On the turn I was 4% and I won the pot after hitting two perfect cards for a runner runner straight flush against flopped quads
It happens that hand left me thinking it must have been a set up but I know it wasn't.
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03-09-2016 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Doubleup28
Ahh I'll bite, its been awhile.

I'd argue that it isn't possible to provide proof that it was rigged if it is done correctly. Hear me out...

Assumed site is rigging medium-high stakes cash games to skew top 1% winning players so that over next 1 million hands:

-AIPF overpair only holds up 78% of the time instead of 80%
-Flush draw only hits 34% of the time instead of 36%
etc
etc

The percentages are arbitrary so don't fight me on those.

This now enables a site to decrease said winning players profits from $200,000/yr to $40,000 year. Money now remains in play instead of winning players bank account and decreasing liquidity.

Are you telling me a programmer/coder or wtv can not rig the percentages to do this?

If done correctly you can show entire 1 million hand history to dissect and it will show nothing but said player running bad.
This is exactly my point.
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03-09-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
This is exactly my point.
Not really, and you didn't have any point in this thread so far either.
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03-09-2016 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pecal
how is possible a small site as Unibet with 2000 players or whatever to generate so much action with nuts over nuts
Every poker room I've ever been in has had far fewer than 2,000 players, yet they were always capable of generating action.
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From yesterday since today i hade at least 15 situation with full house vs full house.I dont think this is possible !
Can we at least get a screenshot of your HEM or PT?
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03-09-2016 , 12:00 PM
is almost impossible to print screen the hand history since they cant be tracked. i have them in hands history but is a mess to print screen them.i have to founde them from all hands .

but as i said i am a bit surprised with those nuts over nuts . before unibet i have been played on 888 poker and after 10 k games i really dont have one single hand in mind when i had full house over full house or straight nuts flop and tunr and rivered by a full house.

preaty strange how they build those RNG to offer action. and never can be compared the nr of players of 888 with unibet and the difference is huge.

i like how they build the site , is really nice everything without the RNG
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03-09-2016 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Not really, and you didn't have any point in this thread so far either.
Yes exactly. I said if they did stuff like this winners would win less and the games would be more even.
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03-09-2016 , 02:40 PM
Rigging "nuts over nuts" would be quite a feat.
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03-09-2016 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by centebakkie
What where those 10 commandments Monty came up with ?

Commandment 1: Thou shalt ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thou shalt state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thou shalt hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thou shalt assume

Commandment 5: Thou shalt have no time to test thy theories

Commandment 6: Thou shalt support they brethren unconditionally

Commandment 7: Thou shalt believe anything is possible with software

Commandment 8: Thou shalt call people idiots for playing online poker and then post hands of your recent play

Commandment 9: Thou shalt watch Youtube

Commandment 10: Thou exists then thou shalt have riggies



Commandments 1, 5 and 7 seem to be the ones in vogue now for the new riggies. Commandments 8 and 9 need a bit of updating, and commandment 10 was always a filler until a better idea came along. Perhaps "Thou shall propose riggie theories that would generate no money" might work as many riggies definitely do that, both with rig theories and their beliefs of how sites steal money. Any other suggestions are always welcome.

Looks like the two semi-fresh riggies ended their visits, one by being banned many times (hopefully he voted often in the poll), and th eother running out of material quickly as per tradition.

Looks like that geezer troll/riggie/whatever is back for the transition phase to the next batch of riggies, so I guess we will see how many people still try to talk to him in a serious manner, and when the next batch of riggies arrive hopefully they will bring some fun outlooks from the riggie culture.
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03-09-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Commandment 1: Thou shalt ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thou shalt state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thou shalt hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thou shalt assume

Commandment 5: Thou shalt have no time to test thy theories

Commandment 6: Thou shalt support they brethren unconditionally

Commandment 7: Thou shalt believe anything is possible with software

Commandment 8: Thou shalt call people idiots for playing online poker and then post hands of your recent play

Commandment 9: Thou shalt watch Youtube

Commandment 10: Thou exists then thou shalt have riggies



Commandments 1, 5 and 7 seem to be the ones in vogue now for the new riggies. Commandments 8 and 9 need a bit of updating, and commandment 10 was always a filler until a better idea came along. Perhaps "Thou shall propose riggie theories that would generate no money" might work as many riggies definitely do that, both with rig theories and their beliefs of how sites steal money. Any other suggestions are always welcome.

Looks like the two semi-fresh riggies ended their visits, one by being banned many times (hopefully he voted often in the poll), and th eother running out of material quickly as per tradition.

Looks like that geezer troll/riggie/whatever is back for the transition phase to the next batch of riggies, so I guess we will see how many people still try to talk to him in a serious manner, and when the next batch of riggies arrive hopefully they will bring some fun outlooks from the riggie culture.


I would change the bolded "they" and the bolded "your" to "thy".
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03-09-2016 , 04:11 PM
Thank thee for thy corrections.
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03-09-2016 , 08:11 PM
Online poker in a nut-shell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuBvAWwRY_o

you cant win.. give up if you do win they will eventually suck the money out of you.
its all a scam and has been since day 1. Poker pro's endorse these sites for their own personal profit. The sites reward bad players and punish good ones. The bad players just winning and think they are actually good at poker and then they get sucked out go busto and reload more money into the system. GL
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03-09-2016 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Kid_Stu
Online poker in a nut-shell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuBvAWwRY_o

you cant win.. give up if you do win they will eventually suck the money out of you.
its all a scam and has been since day 1. Poker pro's endorse these sites for their own personal profit. The sites reward bad players and punish good ones. The bad players just winning and think they are actually good at poker and then they get sucked out go busto and reload more money into the system. GL
Weird, I'm up over $40k profit in 2 years.

Guess my doom switch must be flipping soon huh?
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03-09-2016 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Kid_Stu
The sites reward bad players and punish good ones.
Shouldn't you have been rewarded then?
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03-09-2016 , 08:55 PM
Nice to see a 9th Commandment riggie, though I do question the timing right after I said that commandment needed updating. I did not expect one given how old and dusty those videos are at this point. Very refreshing.

All the best.
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03-09-2016 , 09:28 PM
Legit rivered all day long in ACR. I hate to think it, but I really think the cash games are fixed. 100% feels like house players all day long. It's just not possible to consistently get rivered. Or have people snap A3 for 50bigs against your nitty range of QQ+

Does anyone here have a converter? Pm me. I'd love to have all of my hands run out. I'm prob crazy but F it.
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03-09-2016 , 10:40 PM
888 i think actually has actually been caught cheating/scamming people which is a WPN site a affiliate with ACR. I don't trust ACR one bit... very cheap software and small player field. The spin and go's are a absolute zoo its beyond fixed its hard not to notice. As for the cash tables stay away.. stay far away. You will get river-ed and cooled to death. Last time on that site i flopped a set of 5's against AK. He shoves with a 1 card straight draw and gets a J and Q .. runner runner straight. After that i withdrew my money and deleted the software i suggest you do the same. Your best bet is Bovada playing MTT's and sit -n- go's. STAY away from WPN
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03-09-2016 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
Legit rivered all day long in ACR. I hate to think it, but I really think the cash games are fixed. 100% feels like house players all day long. It's just not possible to consistently get rivered. Or have people snap A3 for 50bigs against your nitty range of QQ+

Does anyone here have a converter? Pm me. I'd love to have all of my hands run out. I'm prob crazy but F it.
If it's not possible are you saying you are making this story up?

Monty, I think you need to have the commandments "Thou shalt claim to be a lifelong winner at poker, but never present proof of thy claim"

and

"Thou shalt type furiously with no regard for proper grammar or punctuation"
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