Again, insults b/c you cannot disprove my theory.

Concentrate on the U.S. for me. Maybe the largest player pool of U.S. facing sites.

How bout an anonymous site that you cannot datamine? So nobody can differentiate Player 1 from Player 487. So no, the top 1% is not heavily scrutinized or watched.

Again, try forward thinking...sticking to the point...and for good measure lets try not insulting.

You are not earning you $5 imo

Why on Earth would any site that steals the deposits from its customers bother to hire a top shelf programmer to create a fake RNG, (that would have to be incredibly sophisticated to avoid being discovered and proved by some of its many players who do have knowledge of mathematics and statistics), to add to its rake take?

Do you understand that if a player deposits $100 and loses it at some minimal percentage at a time to a rake rig is in no different a position to someone who deposits $100 and loses it in one go by making that deposit in the first place? (Because he can't withdraw it.)

It's an absolutely pointless exercise to try to create a complex rake-rig when the dishonest site can, say, put in a superuser house player or bot who can see all the cards and win prudently but at will with an off-the-shelf honest RNG dealing the cards.

Even the long defunct site Propoker, probably one of the most dishonest sites of all time in terms of play at the tables, where nine out of ten of the seats at every table were filled with house players sharing card information, used an honest RNG. And why not?

Your main premise that a site that steals in numbers of different ways will therefore steal a little more by using a complex fake RNG to increase the rake is basically ridiculous. They cannot steal any more from a player by rake than by simply stealing 100% of a player's money by not allowing withdrawals; or by winning it from him by using house players; or by confiscating it from him for an unstated breaking of their rules; etc; etc.

If you are so addicted to playing online poker that you can't leave it alone, at least play on a site where you believe the owners are less likely to steal your money than the specific ones you're certain in your own mind, for whatever contorted reasoning, are not running an honest game.

Yeah, that site where poker represents a small fraction of their income, where they limit the number of tables that can be played, and where all hands can be seen after a period of time as well. You think those hands are not datamined and analyzed at all? Heh, sure.

Not sure what you want me to say. Can I disprove it? No. Can you disprove that aliens are behind rigging it against the bottom 1% of players at non-American sites? No. Guess both theories are equal in that both can not be proven not to exist. Heh, riggies and their logic.

Face it - your Bodog 1% riggie theory sucks. Go vote for Bernie if you hate the 1% that much.

All the best.

Non riggies { like Monteroy} want everyone to believe that there has never been a online poker site involved in rigging even though some poker sites have blatantly stolen players money from their accounts, refused to grant cashout requests , been involved in cheating scams where 1 or more players can see other players whole cards ,etc.

Why wont Monteroy answer this 1 simple question with a yes or no answer ?

" Monteroy do you believe there has never been 1 online poker site that engaged in rigging, in the last several decades " ?

In Monteroys world , the fact that none of us players can gain access to the RCG software and prove rigging, is enough evidence to warrant that no online poker site has ever engaged in rigging .

Yes, Monetory admits that some poker sites will steal from the players, lie to the players, engage in corruptions but it is illogical for person to also believe such corrupt poker sites would engage in rigging software . As if rigging software breaks the cardinal moral rule of poker sites that have been proven to lie, steal and cheat. LOL.

Now, if some of these poker sites had not been proven to be such liars and stealers, it would be a bit more of stretch to also believe they would rig software but since they lack the business morals and so many other aspects of running a legit enterprise , then believing they would rig software { which is almost impossible for players to prove} is not a far stretch and in fact, is something that could be expected.

In other words, it would not surprise me 1 bit if poker sites like Lock Poker or Full Flush had engaged in rigging .

Furthermore, there is no real process in which poker players, that play on sites that are on the other side of the world, can prove the site has rigged their software at certain times, to ensure un-noticeable results to the players, like ensuring a chop that resulted in 2% more per hour for the house.

Everything you just wrote is contradicting itself, Sunday Funday for you?

If poker represented such a small percentage of income (which is BS b/c you're only speculating, lets stick to facts) why would they try and make it recreational? Well the answer is b/c the top 1% wins all of the money playing poker and not only takes it off the poker players, but the casino and sportsbetters that are playing for fun.

For that reason they took all the steps to make it recreational such as limiting tables to 4, anonymous, hiding tables to prevent bumhunting, etc. If poker provides such little income why would they take all of these steps?

Obviously there's a conflict of interest.

Also, I'm defending the 1% so Trump it is.

Wrong on all accounts. I deserve the $5.

After you post your theory in the stats forum you should follow it up with your chuckle inducing analysis of Bodog in the Bodog thread. You may as well spread the laughter around!

Oh wait, you never post these ideas in real threads {which} {is} {the} {correct} {choice}. Perhaps that nod to the other riggie will get the two of you together as you can combine your "let's hide the rig by hitting the most watched players" with his "companies that already steal all the money from players will use some of that money to pay for a rig due to a lack of morals" beliefs. The two of you combining forces could create a very amusing and actually creative bit of crazy together that each of you cannot do by yourselves.

All the best.

Why one earth would you assume that such a corrupt poker site, that is already full of untrustworthy employees, would need to hire a outside programmer to alter the RCG software ? Thats a pretty dumb assumption on your part.

You are calling such a situation a " fake RCG" . I call it a manipulated RCG. Its still a RCG, but its parameters have been reprogrammed to achieve a desired effect by the poker site.

Just like slot machines that can have their software reprogrammed to either payout 44% of the time or 49% of the time. Thats not called fake software, its called manipulated software that can be altered at any point in time to achieve a different effect then before it was altered.

This isnt rocket science. Some of you guys act like its almost impossible to reprogram a RCG . If these sites can create a RCG, I can assure you that same RCG can be manipulated and it can be done by company insiders if they are given the green light to do it by top management. They would not need to call in software specialists to do it. The specialists already work within the company, creating the RCG, and doing constant updates to do things such as add new tourneys , add new poker games, etc.

How can some of you not understand these simple facts ?

Manipulating a RCG is easier then creating a RCG , yet some of you act like it is the other way around. Truly amazing.

Read the rest of my post.

Why would a dishonest site bother to try to increase the rake by using a fake RNG, (what is an RCG, btw?), when it can steal far more and far more easily by using the other ways you have mentioned? It's a pointless exercise.

Slot machines don't use a RNG, so those of your comments don't relate to poker RNGs in any way.

It would be an incredibly difficult programming feat to alter a poker RNG to appear to produce RNs except on the rare occasions where the site might earn an extra $3 or so, (and unnecessarily so, when they can steal all of a player's funds by other, simple means).

I will pose the same simple question to you, that I posed to Monteroy { and he refuses to answer with a simple yes or no}

Do you claim with 100% certainty , that you are confident not one online poker site has ever engaged in RCG/ software rigging, since the inception of online poker ?

Yes or no ?

One other point ...most of the non riggies keep insinuating that corrupt poker sites that steal money directly from players accounts , would not next need to go and get involved in RCG rigging . What if it is the other way around and the RCG rigging had been done first, and then these sites got away with that and could not control their greed, so they went to the next step of blatantly stealing players funds ? Many of these sites are aware they are outside the law of the land, especially for U.S players who deposit their money in accounts at poker sites half way around the world.

You won't reply to any of the questions that others have asked you, so why should anyone answer your dumb and oft-repeated question?

I'll ask you another one:

Have you stopped opening new accounts here after being banned? Yes or no?

I will answer his question for amusement purposes, and because it will get him going even more. I will do it in his form of written language as well.



{Sheesh} you, are, kind, {of} {obsessed,,}


Anyway, your simple yes or no question needs a bit of quantifiers.

For online real money poker sites of at least a moderate size (ie: a random site your buddy names Leroy made does not count) - there has not been a single case of verifiable proof of a rigged RnG in any of the ways you or other riggies suggest.

Tons of these sites shut down, and the criminal ones you think would also do a rig would have people spilling the beans on them if they did. The marketing guy from lock did on just about everything, yet I guess he left out the rig for unknown reasons?

Rigging the RnG is a stupid way to steal money. Most riggie theories would not even make the site money, and they would be very, very easy to catch, so that combined with the fact that not a single real money site of significance has been caught with a RnG rigged against any players if you need a simple {yes} or {no} as to whether I believe that any real money site of significance has a rigged RnG

My answer would be {no} I do not believe any do.

Similarly, I do not believe aliens control any sites as well, and if you or any riggie can ever provide proof of aliens or a verifiable RnG rig I will be the first to give my support to it (and of course the $10,000 reward that remains unclaimed).

Can I say with certainty that no site has ever rigged a single hand to screw a freeroller like you? No, just as I cannot say with {certainty} that Lizard People did not rig it against you as well, and as Mike Haven suggests, you cannot say with {certainty} that you have finally stopped fisting yourself.

Common sense and the complete lack of any evidence of a rig (statistical, a person behind it talking about it etc.) are what are the foundations of my beliefs on that specific topic.

You tend to combine that with an unrelated belief that no companies are crooked. Not sure why, but paranoid minds like yours work in {unusual} ways at times. Lots of sites are crooked. They steal money. They do not spend money creating an easy to catch rig when they can keep that money for themselves while stealing all of their players money.

Hope that better explained it, and remember to vote again in the riggie poll with this new account of yours (as well as any future ones after this one gets banned).

{All}, {the}, {BeSt.}

Your level of maturity , especially for a forum moderator, is impressive.

ROFL...so now you claim that rigging , is not only a stupid way for poker sites to steal money , but it would be very very easy to catch..so site wouldnt do it..its to easy to spot......as if poker sites stealing money directly from a players account isnt easy to catch and yet you admit they have done that on numerous occasions ?

You are a joker.

Tons of sites have stolen money from players, and they have been caught.

Not a single site (even the crooked ones) of substance has had their RnG proven to be rigged, and yes, nearly every riggie theory proposed would be very, very easy to catch if it existed anywhere.

Not a single site has been caught with a rigged RnG. It is a stupid form of crime, and crooked sites choose easier ways to steal.

Anyway, you need to believe in your personal paranoia, so go for it. No difference to me the mental burdens you encumber yourself with in life. Look out for aliens as well, I suppose. While I am mildly curious why your last account was banned, I wish you better luck in your freerolls, and try to choose a better site in future than Full Flush, which was known to be a dodgy site for quite a while (nothing to do with RnGs). People like you always seem to find the bad places to play for some reason.

Remember to vote again in the poll as well. The riggie side is all about multiple voting from multiple accounts.


All the best.

Is this jungmit clown banned or something for him to make some random new account or does he think people won't call him an idiot when he makes a new account?

This was the guy that created an account named RUMME3070 until it was banned for some reason, and he was a break from the jugmit boredom for a short while, but he has yet to bring out any new material other than new uses of commas and {{{}}}.

Hopefully he has voted multiple times, the riggie side needs the help.

His ban power is also impressive.
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Can anybody here have an intelligent conversation on why this is inaccurate?

Lets just concentrate on the theory itself. Lets use Bodog so you cannot talk about data mining. Top .5% of players fall within Z score that puts them 1 of 3,100 players that lose coinflip ONLY an extra 50 times throughout a year or once a week, meaning they only deviate from the mean <1% or win with an overpair 79% of the time.

Lets just say thats ~100 players from 400NL-1000NL

That would account for ~$3,000,0000 from those 100 players that is kept in the player pool creating greater liquidity for not only poker but recreational players that sportsbet or casino.

How does one really have a serious debate against a theory that would have to be Bodog only (where poker is not their main business), against the .5% of players that are most likely to analyze their HH data and notice any deviations, where all the programmers and others behind the rig never tell of their deeds. What about all the thousands of other sites that do not have anon players. Do you believe they are not rigged due to a fear of datamining?

Sorry, but your rig stinks, and if you feel confident about your math (and business analysis of Bodog) then post your theory in the stats forum and Bodog thread and see how it goes. Until you do that, why should anyone take your random theory seriously, since you lack the courage to back it beyond the disposable riggie thread.

If you need to believe in the theory then go for it, and I would suggest you play at Bodog vs the top players and make a killing due to the rig. Guess that is something else you will never do in the future...

Sorry that your logic sharing riggie buddy got banned again, and the next time you visit the thread try to bring better material. As I do often out of the kindness of my heart - I offer you the final word to use as you need, and as this seems like a natural riggie intermission I will wait for the next batch of amusing new riggies. Don't forget to quit all forms of poker, and thanks for the $5.

All the best.

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What's inaccurate about it, just stealing the money is easier than any rig that's been brought up in this thread, by far. You can data mine Bovada, and they even give you the most important data (according to jungmit and riggies of his ilk), all the hole cards. The only data you can't track is who you're playing, but since this is about rigging not colluding that should be fine. Sounds good, except you've just changed the outcome of those flops. It's a small set of flops, though, so you'll totally get away with it. Hmmm, maybe not such a small sample of rigged flops after all.

So we're assuming each of those situations where a good reg should be 80% to win is a $600 pot that Bovada's shipping to a fish to keep them in action? Sounds good, except we're going to all this trouble to keep a fish alive for what, 10-20 more hands? If they're getting it in with 20% equity they're going to be doing that fairly often, right?

It is utterly hilarious that while explaining your proposed rig theory, you use a word like "magically" without the slightest hint of irony. Yes, programmers really can do anything; it's all magic.

I expected to come back to much better responses...blahhh blahhh

I speak of Bovada b/c its the only legitimate option for US. Don't even try and tell me data mining will uncover anything b/c that is laughable w/ anonymous players. You seriously think player 1, 32, 58, 187, etc. will all come on 2+2 and corroborate HH's at the same time over hundreds of thousands of hands lol.

Bovada can be doing this and will NEVER get caught. And stop trying to say that this is so complex for a programmer to do. We're in the golden era of technology and you mopes think this would be mind blowingly difficult and detected in 5 minutes by players who can't see anything but a number sitting across from them.

I'm most disappointed in why you cant give me exact statistics on why my theory is incorrect. Instead I get a guy that gets paid $5 per post to tell me to go to the stats forum.

Boring.........

That's the rigtard motto.

Your asking people that promote online poker. They will always disagree. It was proven the software can be manipulated by potripper who worked for the company of absolute poker. So ya it can happen of course. And can you prove its not rigged no you can't. But if you work on your game and put in high volume you will make money at online poker whether there is a rig or not. And if your not profiting then its not the rng its you having leaks in your game. I decided to play long hrs high volume and I don't think its rigged anymore. I was long time for years thinking rng is rigged. You just have to work on your game and find out where your leaking money. And this forum has given plenty of help with a lot of tough hands I been in to turn my game around. It takes time and effort just like anything else.