You never even elaborated on this so why would I walk it back? Instead of belittling people how about trying to educate them? It's just a nicer way to live.

While I don't agree with the hedge statement or your belief that I am struggling with this, I appreciate your kind words. These are the type of things players struggling with tilt need to hear.

You and Bobo seem to be good people and I appreciate your thoughts. I'm not saying you're not 5thstreet. You've just come off as a bit of a dick.

While I won't convince any of you and never set out to, I, as well, will not be convinced otherwise.

Really, only you can answer the first two questions, as I don't know what you think you've seen other than too many "action hands". I expect that you'd really need to more clearly define what that means.

Honestly, while I like to think have a decent understanding of basic statistics, if you're serious about moving forward with this, I think you'd be better off looking for answers to these questions in the Probability forum.

As for software, yes, I'd think something like HM or PT would make the job a lot easier.

I gave you a detailed somewhat even long winded explanation in the simplest way I could. I never belittled you. In fact, I gave your posts way more importance than most on this forum would say they actually deserved. Now however Im totally going to belittle you by putting you on ignore because it seems you are just trolling now. Bye.

I missed this somehow. This was actually solid and I appreciate this. If this was the first thing I would have seen from you I wouldn't have made a second post.

While I'm probably being blocked by you right now I want to apologize. I missed that post until right now. I did not mean to come off as a troll.

Thanks for the answers. I'm probably not going to follow through with this as I'm not 100% sure what I'd be looking for and it may become time consuming, but at least now I know where to start if I do. I appreciate it.

Quoting these in case 5thStreet really did put you on ignore, so he can see them.

No problem. I apologize for assuming otherwise and also for the harshness in some of my responses. Peace.

Wow, I haven't been here in awhile.

What I am about to say is very obvious to nearly everyone, but there was one frequent poster who could not wrap his head around it and fervently believed that sites were rigged for much the same reasons as the more recent poster is claiming.

Suppose you have 8s8h and your opponent has Ad7d. Flop comes Kd8d3h. Then there could well be betting and raising on the flop, and a big pot may well develop.

But change the flop to Kd8c3h. Then then the flop action would likely go bet-fold. Or change the flop to Kd9d3h. Then the flop action may go check-bet-fold.

The specifics of the hands is not important here. The point is that looking backwards after a big pot has developed, you will often see an "action flop". And you might conclude that there are "too many" action flops. However, this is an example of a biased sample and faulty pattern recognition.

In the extreme, suppose only deals with action flops go to showdown. So if a hand does not go to showdown, you don't see whether or not it was an action flop. Very likely it was not. And the deal goes away quickly and quietly without anyone taking notice.

As others have said above, human brains were designed to discern patterns. However, we are so good at pattern recognition, that we often see patterns that aren't really there.

Some guy at the Motor City Casino in Detroit was so against online poker because they could always cheat lol

I could not talk any sense into him.

There are multiple ways to secure online poker security.

1 time bans for terrible infractions and or a team viewer available to the pokerstars security team which can view your computers Stars tables while you are logged into and only into....their poker client.

I don't know if there are any bots that pokerstars inserts to make money for the site, however, what is troubling me, is the fact that supernovas seem to win the big pots the more deep we are. I have experienced it so many times, for example i have KK, supernova goes all in with 15ish BBs, im so scared to call vs him because i know he gets there so often. I do watch a lot of big tourneys when they are deep in the money and always watch when supernovas go all in. They seem to suck out so much more than their actual percentage of winning hand is, I told to myself i was going to count the situations and compare them to their actual percentage, but i postpone doing that because the sample has to be huge.

For what is worth, I have a feeling when i play (am a goldstar) 3$-8$ tourneys things go so much more smoother for me. Im not talking about making money in those tourneys in general (because, usually the field is softer the less avg BI is), but in a preflop all in situations for example, things go so much more smoother. Often i think to myself "aha, this is what it must feel like for supernovas when playing 20$, 30$, 40$, etc... tourneys"

Watch Lex Veldhuis and Parker Talbot. Both supernovas, both receive horrendous beats on a daily basis. Why?

Gotta keep people off the scent by sacrificing some pros. It doesn't have to be all that huge, after all just by watching you can tell they suck out more than they should. Have you compared your AIEV from lower buyin tournaments to larger buyin ones where presumably you're not getting any help in all ins?

You seem to be able to notice it in a short sample with your eyes, such a deviation is probably statistically demonstrable within 100 all ins.

But instead you're probably going to whine about it some more, call it rigged and keep playing. Since the sites stopped paying me for my posts I'm just going to say it: it's rigged, you should stop playing immediately. **** them all, they are just stealing your money and nobody does anything about it. Get out while you can.

I havent, to be completely honest i don't even use HEM2, i have it so maybe if you guide me how to do it, i would do it and post the results here for someone to interpret them.

Can you explain this a little? I mean, it's overall feeling i get, i can't remember last time i have seen supernova in a big spot with, for example AA vs QQ, and them losing the pot because a Q comes. And it is supposed to be 80/20, however, in those big pots everything goes smooth, they can't even lose a flip.

Well I used to be paid by major poker sites to keep people from finding out that they rig the games to create extra rake. I have quite a lot of posts ridiculing people for their findings and I got like $5 for each post so I did my best. However they stopped paying me like 2 months ago and I got kind of pissed about that so now I'm trying to get people to see the truth and boycott those major sites.

The truth is that they rig the games to slightly favor net depositors so it takes more rake for the regs to skin them. It was needed to maintain traffic when the number of fish is declining rapidly. Of course none of this can be detected and there are only a very few people that know this, programmers for example. Actually the supernova rig isn't a thing, they don't need it. That said, there are a few ways that they do it, none of which are possible to detect with databases so nobody will ever find out.

I'll try to remember to put together some quick pictures explaining HEM2 filtering for what I was talking about sometime later today. whosnext made a really good post explaining why this happens just above your first post here, it might help explain this phenomenon.

Basically the gist of it is your brain has decided on a pattern (Supernovas win more than they should) and it's continually gathering new evidence that supports that ("OMG, the Supernova was a 20% favorite and sucked out!") while ignoring any evidence that doesn't support it ("LOL dude lost as a 20% favorite like he should have, moving on").

It happens to all of us, a big part of improving at poker is learning to ignore any false patterns that appear. When I first started out, I filtered my hands to show which had won me the most money, and instead of finding AA or KK at the top, I had won the most with Q9s so dumb little beginner me decided that that hand was lucky for me.

Can we all just leave and let the riggies that claim the games are rigged to help the good players argue with all the riggies that claim the games are rigged to help the bad players?

Personally Ill be rooting for reoless and his team. Both are delusional about their rigged theories, but I find the fact that the other team is delusional enough to believe they are actually the good players even more dumbfounding at times. I mean, watching them argue with such vigor that a game they are playing is fixed in a way that would actually benefit them always makes my head want to explode.

Are you suggesting to rig the flow of this thread? 😳

Ok, now we are taking next level I see. Touche.

The action cards both increase the rake and give the dog more luck. It is easy to see and can be proved when we get the complete ev tracking softwares. I have known the rig since 2000.

An additional way to rig winners is to ban them, and the only way in sports. Banning is often done by small sites and skins.

The inside bots are often a part of the rig, though usually the money flows more to losers and new players, as can be seen from win rates.

Multitabling doesnt decrease the win rate as much as it should because the win rates of lesser tablings are also limited. This makes crappy multitabling up to as profitable.

The heavy multitabling players might get rigged later or less, and similarly bots are let to operate up to years, though the new ecosystem values might change that or it will be controlled, and most of them are inside bots, that i have known over ten years.

Bots actually are pretty weak, but when they get more luck for one reason or the other.

Not to disrupt your list that likely comes from a variety of sticky notes on your wall, but one of them does contradict the others.

If sites have to ban good players (which you call a rig for some reason) wouldn't that show that they lack the ability to use their special programming rigs that you have seen with your own eyes for over 15 years (yet have yet to be able to prove).

In your world those actual programming rigs have existed for a long time, complete with multi generations of programmers that have yet to reveal the details (even though again you can just see it with your eyes). Why would the sinister companies abandon these long standing, never caught, effective programming rigs in favor of lowering their income by kicking players out instead?

All the best.

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Yes, because we all know that poker sites act in a logical manner and never try to cheat customers.

anyone have any good names for ignition?

we usually called bovada as fraudvada or bofrauda

for ignition, i call it riggednition or rignition but wondering if anyone else has any creative names for this pile of garbage

Who is we? I searched the Bodog thread where you posted this originally, and found only one reference to either name - your post.

lol you've been here since 2008, still sign up for new sites, but think they're all rigged.