there's no reason to come and complain about the sites being rigged "trust me i have done this" there's nothing you can do about it. the only you can do is withdraw whatever money you have left and stop playing on them. i mean come-on we all know its rigged to some extent most of these sites have software that looks like its from the 90's its all suspicious and appears to be a scam if you believe so then stop playing. if people want to defend the sites than so be they can play on them whenever they want its their choice. the sad part is a lot of people do not live near casinos nor have access to poker games so they are forced to play online which is exactly what these sites want they are raping people in certain states where poker is banned "like my state" but i was smart enough to quit playing.

So why the heck are you still on this forum ?

Mike Haven ran these 2 posts through 2p2's RNG while merging them.

You mean RL(etter)G?

No; is as was.

Self deleted.

Broke my rule of not engaging in the pointlessness of this thread anymore (other than to mock it's general existence)

yeah, good point! L - :-)

It means that you shared a link to some tutorial on how to use a built-in RNG function that is software-based, when no poker sites (to the best of our knowledge) are using RNGs like this. They use hardware RNGs which rely on entropy input from outside sources, and their results have been certified as truly random and unpredictable. If a poker site used an RNG like the one you linked to and people found out about it, they'd get laughed right out of the industry. In fact, if memory serves me, Pacific Poker did use one like this, years ago. But the results of that one were determined to be predictable if you knew the algorithm, and they switched to a hardware RNG.

Just for ease of access, here's what pecal linked to:

This concept may seem outlandish or asinine but some people actually post to share their experiences of playing poker on sites that they feel are crooked so that others can identify with their stories or not make the same mistake. On the surface one would assume a poker forum is where one would go to make better decisions when applied to the game of poker. But sadly i think many are duped into making worse decisions then had they made them on their own. Athough this is generally thread specific.

It doesn't seem outlandish to do it once, but continuing to pop into a forum for years and years to just restate the same things over and over again just seems...odd.

If I got ripped off (or felt ripped off) by a bank, I might find some kind of banking enthusiasts forum and post my gripe, and maybe follow up on that post, but I'm sure as hell not going to pop by that forum every few weeks to reiterate what I already said.

I mean, maaaaaaaaaaybe if they had a "The great "Banks rip you off" debate" thread...still, probably not.

LMAO, oh the irony.

Oh man, you sure got me. My posts are exactly like someone who no longer plays poker stopping in occasionally to say poker is rigged.

Sadly, it seems to be something of an addiction:

Yes it does.

Seriously though no one has yet to answer my question: how hard would it be to rig the algorithm to benefit certain players and not cause problems? So that it wouldn't give a certain player too much winnings where it gets noticed? I doubt this is the case as we'll be seeing fish winning big time on sites and that just doesn't happen. But how hard is this?

No one has replied directly to you, maybe, but your question has been asked and answered dozens of times ITT. Extremely. It's very hard, because to cover it up and keep it from being noticed, you have to track every player and their interactions with each other to make sure that no one sees anyone else winning more (or less) than they should.

It's one of those ideas that seems easy when you first think about it because you're only thinking about having to keep track of a table at a time, but the reality is you have to keep track of all the players at all the tables whoever your target(s) is(are) at, and then you have to keep track of all of those other players' interactions.

That's a ton of extra work and resources to make a small amount of extra money (small because to keep the rig from being noticed it has to be used infrequently), when you could just simply deal cards and scoop up 5%(or more for tourneys) of every pot.

You`re saying fish dont win bigtime? I was a fish when i won 75k in Sunday million, it happens every day in tournaments. have you seen the huge events WCOOP and SCOOPs? always some fishes winning huge money. Its just variance. Not rigged at all though.
Imagine the amount of money the people involved would have gotten if they went ahead and spoke about it. For example pokerstars. You could probably threaten them with going public with some evidence of rigging and recieve 10, 50 or even 100 million dollars for keeping your mouth shut. Cause they would be losing hundreads of millions or billions going bankrupt. The risk is astronomical and reward is so tiny. Just using pokerstars as an example cause they`re the biggest and the one most people think is rigged cause most people play there. They make enough money as it is. Any kind of rigging would have to be known by many of their workers to pull it off. Its just not worth it.

I swear, it seems like whenver I take long breaks (2-3+ months) from bovada and than re-deposit I always run like god the first few days to a week

I just put down $400 today and I'm +$450 at 25NL and 50NL zoom, its just monster after monster and I'm never on the bad end

I'll run it up than start getting coolered over and over and cash out, rinse and repeat the cycle

I came across this one on Pokerscout and thought it was so ridiculous I had to share:

Title: Pokerstars business model works against should-be-winning players
294 out of 343 readers found this review helpful

I have been playing and analyzing the cash game data from my database for quite a while now and there is definitely something wrong with the way results behave. ...

... Anyway, enough of this ... PokerStars is definitely the best place. ...

+1, nice to see another player claiming this same experience, I posted about it in the "rigged" thread awhile back, been "exploiting" this perceived phenomenon on Bovada for awhile now, though I have experienced it at other poker sites as well. May all just be coincidence but I do pretty much what you describe except for now I wait for them to offer me a no deposit bonus with a rollover before playing again after a hiatus. Easily run it up to 15x-20x the original amount and cashout when I think the big downswing/doomswitch has begun, rinse/repeat.

Just recently, I thought maybe I was mistaken and these were just standard swings which I could weather, meaning I could win more money if I stuck it out but sure enough, went almost busto trying to play through vs doing what has worked, lol. The oddest part about it all is, never once have I gone on a downswing immediately following the bonus/deposit and going bust, no matter how small it's been, it's only after initially running like Gladstone Gander, that the downswing happens.

Thanks for the post, glad to know it's not just me and after a break I might try actually depositing to see if it works the same way.

Confirmed rigged

Now sounds like a good time to deposit. Just keep at it.
good luck

Yeah, the comment section there is filled with the rantings of losing players and noobs. Riggies often cite it here as their proof of foul play. As to that post though, the best part about most of the players that complain that sites are rigging the games to help the bad players, is the reality that they are complaining about the games being rigged in a way that would be helping them. That is always the thing that kills me when reading posts like that. It would be like me complaining that the game is rigged against the guys that look like professional male models. Its fixed to let all the ugly guys win, that is obviously why I keep losing.

So why has there never been a single case of an insider blowing the whistle in standard claimed rigs then?

I hate to feed my own paranoia, and I've tried to convince myself I'm delusional, but as far as I can tell I've had the exact same experience. I've never gone as far as to actively try to exploit this perceived phenomenon, but it's something I've experienced; without question some of my most staggering run good has come after recently depositing (Bovada most noticeably).

Having studied psychology I know there are all sorts of perceptual phenomenon highly linked to attention... I know for myself at least I'm always a little more dialed in after recently depositing; I mean you have after all wanted to play badly enough that you've gone to the trouble of actually depositing... that increased focus not only heightens the perception and memory of any perceived super run good, but it also helps you make better decisions. Also, a truly brutal downswing over thousands of hands is highly unlikely to occur at ANY specific time, so what is the likely hood of a nasty down swing occurring precisely after depositing?

It also seems like a pretty ridiculous concept all together... I mean a site is going to put some algo in play that weighs peoples deposit histories and alters the deck? I mean that's pretty ridiculous. But it's something I've thought about so figured I'd chime in. At the end of the day it's just one more thing I don't want to think about when playing online.

And that part never seems to bother riggies.

Them donking their way into 20 times their 2 buy in deposit and sunrunning people to death is "standard" but when their horrible play finally catches up with them it's rigged.

It's a government conspiracy executed for the reptilians. Everyone is so blind and stupid.