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04-23-2015 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Gotta make that $5, thanks for funding me.

Continue playing on PokerStars. PokerStars Makes Millionaires™.
Tell me about it.
They made the Department of Justice multi millionaires
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04-23-2015 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by alsk
One LOL
There/their/they're is something to be proud of

How do you travel anywhere?
I've never had a problem in the past.

And without actually making definitive decisions as to all places I would have any desire to travel to and how widely spoken English is in those places, I would guess, and be pretty confident about it, that any place to which I would have much desire to travel have a decently large English speaking population, or at least a large number of people who are able to get by with English, especially the parts that would be normal tourist destinations. I doubt I would have that much trouble at least getting by, even if I couldn't necessarily have a deep conversation with everyone I met.

I don't have a ton of desire to travel to a lot of different places in the first place anyway though.
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04-23-2015 , 10:06 PM
it's humorous watching PS rng over the last week relentlessly rig me deep in tournaments for tens of thousands in equity, and "make up" for it in small heads up buy ins and spins for meaningless pots. Not too noticeable.

And yes Lego, if you stay on the grid per say and travel to a major city you could probably get by,getting by isn't the whole purpose of travelling to experience things off the grid, the culture the cuisine. For Example, I love going to France and ordering a foie gras, accompanied with a delicious glass of Bourgogne Pinot Noir. Yumm!

To the contrary, when I was in Bolivia and made my way through La Paz ( Death Road) and was dependent on local transportation it was very helpful to speak Spanish.

To each there/their/they're own

Saludos Cuidate!
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04-23-2015 , 10:57 PM
keep the rigs coming pokerstars

So tyhats 8 tournaments lost to 2 and 3 outs all in

Nothing shady going on here

For any new players who would like to see how much I actually have won to see how a good player thinks this site is a rigged farce, feel free. If you make threads to call them out on there defective software or email there site and mock them, you will get stolen from on the tables.
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04-23-2015 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by alsk
it's humorous watching PS rng over the last week relentlessly rig me deep in tournaments for tens of thousands in equity, and "make up" for it in small heads up buy ins and spins for meaningless pots. Not too noticeable.

And yes Lego, if you stay on the grid per say and travel to a major city you could probably get by,getting by isn't the whole purpose of travelling to experience things off the grid, the culture the cuisine. For Example, I love going to France and ordering a foie gras, accompanied with a delicious glass of Bourgogne Pinot Noir. Yumm!

To the contrary, when I was in Bolivia and made my way through La Paz ( Death Road) and was dependent on local transportation it was very helpful to speak Spanish.

To each there/their/they're own

Saludos Cuidate!
La Paz, is that where the call centre is that you worked in ?
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04-23-2015 , 11:17 PM
1500 hands,

3 quads dealt today
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04-24-2015 , 01:06 AM
Not skimming all this but was there any talk about Jamie Staples taking down his largest score day after he signs with stars?
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04-24-2015 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by alsk
I speak 4 languages fluently, how many do you speak?
These four being: bad, nonsense, gobbledegook and gibberish.

You certainly don't write English very well.
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04-24-2015 , 03:51 AM
[x] I think Stars is rigged
[x] I think Stars servers are awful
[x] I think Stars are criminals
[x] I continue to play on Stars
[x] I ignore questions about why I continue to play there, since there is no answer that doesn't make me look like a fool
[ ] I show an ounce of common sense

Who am I?
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04-24-2015 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by alsk
amazing, coolered in every tournament I am playing since my post.
Well you know what to do about that.
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04-24-2015 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AEAB1105
Not skimming all this but was there any talk about Jamie Staples taking down his largest score day after he signs with stars?
Yes I already brought that up, among another chick that went on twitch and was spoonfed a tournament citing how " lucky" she was getting. Or the dude playing spins and laughing at how many 360 60's he was hitting when I got 2 4x in over 70 15 and 30's. I already said someone should check the winning %'s and " luckyness of twitch broadcasters. No way anyone runs close to how I do losing every tourney with qq-AA to 33-88 or dominated ak-ax or pairs vs AX in every tournament. Someone at the sites gives free rides and someone makes thing very difficult for others. How about russians who never play and join one spin and ping a million and never play since. Hrmm. Or the isle of man heads up cash player who won a promo a few years ago playing hu cash. Hrmmm. Or how over 3/4 of the million winners are russian. Hrmmm. People sign with sites and magically run pure.

RIGGED!!
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04-24-2015 , 04:21 AM
El juego no está arreglado duda alguna!!!¡¡¡
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04-24-2015 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by alsk
El juego no está arreglado duda alguna!!!¡¡¡
它幾乎可以肯定不是七拼八湊.
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04-24-2015 , 05:46 AM
It's impossible to have any debate in this thread with the spam Alsk creates. He is better than the shills at covering up any real concerns.
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04-24-2015 , 09:49 AM
I wasted several hours of my life reading this thread. I am going to share with you what I have discovered. The following are confirmed shills:

Wiki
Monteroy
Otatop
Bobo Fett
Josem
Lego05
NewOldGuy
Darkus63
J9Suited
AlienSpaceBat
Rig Astley
czechraiser
tk1133
Bingo_Boy
centebakkie

I'm sure there are many more perma-spamming but I've already read enough nonsense for one day.

I note how every volume poster ITT who is not a confirmed shill has either been ban-hammered or temp-banned. It's 100% certain this guy "alsk" will be banned shortly.

There are 2 obvious rules in this forum.

1) Shill rules - write as much as you want, as often as you like, about whatever you please and repeat 1000 times without consequence.

2) Riggie rules - write as much as you dare, as often as you dare, about poker being rigged, repeat and be ban-hammered (you will not make 1000 posts).
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04-24-2015 , 09:51 AM
flasepositive makes a good point, it's tough to keep up with discussions when a moron who can't stop playing on Stars keeps posting his "bad beats" and crying rigged. Allow me to repost my last reply to flasepositive:
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Originally Posted by flasepositive
It might be detectable if you had access to the entire player pool hand histories and who was a reg and a rec, but as it does not target and individual, any effect within a single player (or even lots of players) hand histories would be within norms and therefore not raise suspicion.
...that's not how math works.
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Could it be detected? possibly. Would anyone be bothering to look for it? no, they are winning in what appear to be standard hands against "bad" players.
So if you've uncovered this, somehow, why are you just passively talking about it and allowing sites to continue to rip people off instead of taking a relatively small amount of time proving the rig?
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04-24-2015 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRopes
I wasted several hours of my life reading this thread. I am going to share with you what I have discovered. The following are confirmed shills:

Josem
LOL, you're quite the detective.
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I note how every volume poster ITT who is not a confirmed shill has either been ban-hammered or temp-banned. It's 100% certain this guy "alsk" will be banned shortly.
alsk will be banned shortly because he's a previously banned user, and registering new screen names to evade bans is (surprise!) against 2+2's rules.
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1) Shill rules - write as much as you want, as often as you like, about whatever you please and repeat 1000 times without consequence.
Aside from Monteroy occasionally plopping his insanely long list of the different flavors of riggies, I can't think of any "shill" that does anything remotely close to this.
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2) Riggie rules - write as much as you dare, as often as you dare, about poker being rigged, repeat and be ban-hammered (you will not make 1000 posts).
blatantlyrigged made almost 2500 posts before he finally got himself banned. He's back as scumbagsall now, and I think he had another name at some point in between. Riggies don't get banned for being riggies, they get banned for being ****ty posters.

Also, the "shills" have experimented a few times in the past with not replying to this thread, to let riggies have complete control, and do you know what happened every time?
Spoiler:
It dropped to the 4th or 5th page of the forum


Seems weird to have shills in that case. You also never touched on why, if we were actually industry shills and 2+2 was complicit in our cover ups, we all use the same names for years.
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04-24-2015 , 10:05 AM
It's obviously rigged; any idiot can see that. But at the same time, it's so subtly done that it's impossible to identify or prove.

Makes sense!
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04-24-2015 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRopes
I wasted several hours of my life reading this thread. I am going to share with you what I have discovered. The following are confirmed shills:

Wiki
Monteroy
Otatop
Bobo Fett
Josem
Lego05
NewOldGuy
Darkus63
J9Suited
AlienSpaceBat
Rig Astley
czechraiser
tk1133
Bingo_Boy
centebakkie
Confirmed by...........no wait, i got it: Your magical shill detector!

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Originally Posted by OnTheRopes
I note how every volume poster ITT who is not a confirmed shill has either been ban-hammered or temp-banned.
I note that probably no one will care what you noted.

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Originally Posted by OnTheRopes
It's 100% certain this guy "alsk" will be banned shortly.
better today than tomorrow, good for him that you are him.



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Originally Posted by OnTheRopes
There are 2 obvious rules in this forum.

1) Shill rules - write as much as you want, as often as you like, about whatever you please and repeat 1000 times without consequence.

2) Riggie rules - write as much as you dare, as often as you dare, about poker being rigged, repeat and be ban-hammered (you will not make 1000 posts).
there's only one rule, dummy:

Every single post of a butthurt rigtard ends up in here.

Last edited by Rig Astley; 04-24-2015 at 10:22 AM.
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04-24-2015 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CorruptMustEND
This is INSANE.

I got 2 lengthy replies within 2 minutes of posting and was BANNED immediately.

Whoever banned me said, "STAY AWAY MEANS STAY AWAY"

I say in reply, "CORRUPT MEANS CORRUPT".

Please note that a record of this has been taken and will be passed along to the UK Gambling Commission and whoever makes executive decisions on 2+2 policy (Sklansky?).

You can explain why you ban me for posting about responsible gaming and pointing out blatantly obvious facts - like those I listed are clearly SHILLS. I'm sure when it all gets official I will get a list of who gets paid here to defend and who doesn't, then I will publish, letting everyone see the REAL quality of debate on 2+2, especially on direction of its operators and moderators. PaidForPropaganda.com

Niss banned you.
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04-24-2015 , 11:07 AM
He's ban on sight due to a lengthy history. He's not welcome here, he knows he's not welcome here, and he will be banned each and every time he creates a new account. And he doesn't slide because he manages to get 6 posts in without acting like an utter jackass before we figure out that he's back.
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04-24-2015 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRopes
I wasted several hours of my life reading this thread. I am going to share with you what I have discovered. The following are confirmed shills:

Wiki
Monteroy
Otatop
Bobo Fett
Josem
Lego05
NewOldGuy
Darkus63
J9Suited
AlienSpaceBat
Rig Astley
czechraiser
tk1133
Bingo_Boy
centebakkie

I'm sure there are many more perma-spamming but I've already read enough nonsense for one day.

I note how every volume poster ITT who is not a confirmed shill has either been ban-hammered or temp-banned. It's 100% certain this guy "alsk" will be banned shortly.

There are 2 obvious rules in this forum.

1) Shill rules - write as much as you want, as often as you like, about whatever you please and repeat 1000 times without consequence.

2) Riggie rules - write as much as you dare, as often as you dare, about poker being rigged, repeat and be ban-hammered (you will not make 1000 posts).
CCCCCCOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL I'm a shill to now
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04-24-2015 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Allow me to repost my last reply to flasepositive:...that's not how math works.
It is if you hiding in big numbers. If I work in a store with a turnover of $30K per day, and I short change by a $1 a day it will never be detected and I make $7 a week. It could be detected, but it wouldn't because that's not what is being looked for. If I could now do this over the shops estate of 300 stores, I would be gaining $2100 a week but it is still hidden in such a big number that the chance of detection is minimal. Only when I get greedy and take $100 a day, (the riggie equivalent of too many quads), would I raise suspicion enough for anyone to bother looking for it. Keeping the recs money in play longer and therefore ensuring it is raked more often is the same.
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Originally Posted by otatop
So if you've uncovered this, somehow, why are you just passively talking about it and allowing sites to continue to rip people off instead of taking a relatively small amount of time proving the rig?
Firstly, I don't believe it is a small amount of time to prove or disprove, in fact I remain to be convinced that it would/could be proven.
I realise me saying it is happening is no reason for anyone to believe it. Equally, you (effectively) stating it's not happening because "that's not how maths works" is not a reason for me to believe it's not happening.

Even if I could uncover it with mathematical proof, would I bother? No, it favours me, I am not your typical riggie who claims they would win without the rig. I am bad enough that the rig favours me and keeps my money in play longer. I would describe myself as a "entertainment player", this to me is even lower than a rec, poker is merely entertainment, the cost of poker to me is entertainment money, no different to what I would spend going to the pictures or out for a meal.

Thank you for your reply. I expect this will now get lost in the spam of stupid riggies with their too many quad claims, play on twitch claims, get signed as a pro claims and the other nonsense that could be proven easily.

((After searching the thread (man there are a lot of really bad posters ITT), my theory is not much different to one of the shills that posted about non action flops being the way to rig except my reasoning is to keep the money in play and rake it more often))
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04-24-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flasepositive
It is if you hiding in big numbers. If I work in a store with a turnover of $30K per day, and I short change by a $1 a day it will never be detected and I make $7 a week. It could be detected, but it wouldn't because that's not what is being looked for. If I could now do this over the shops estate of 300 stores, I would be gaining $2100 a week but it is still hidden in such a big number that the chance of detection is minimal. Only when I get greedy and take $100 a day, (the riggie equivalent of too many quads), would I raise suspicion enough for anyone to bother looking for it. Keeping the recs money in play longer and therefore ensuring it is raked more often is the same.

Firstly, I don't believe it is a small amount of time to prove or disprove, in fact I remain to be convinced that it would/could be proven.
I realise me saying it is happening is no reason for anyone to believe it. Equally, you (effectively) stating it's not happening because "that's not how maths works" is not a reason for me to believe it's not happening.

Even if I could uncover it with mathematical proof, would I bother? No, it favours me, I am not your typical riggie who claims they would win without the rig. I am bad enough that the rig favours me and keeps my money in play longer. I would describe myself as a "entertainment player", this to me is even lower than a rec, poker is merely entertainment, the cost of poker to me is entertainment money, no different to what I would spend going to the pictures or out for a meal. (we love you )

Thank you for your reply. I expect this will now get lost in the spam of stupid riggies with their too many quad claims, play on twitch claims, get signed as a pro claims and the other nonsense that could be proven easily.

((After searching the thread (man there are a lot of really bad posters ITT), my theory is not much different to one of the shills that posted about non action flops being the way to rig except my reasoning is to keep the money in play and rake it more often))
Lots of riggies say the same thing.

What stakes do you play ? just curious.

Last edited by centebakkie; 04-24-2015 at 12:21 PM. Reason: added we love you
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04-24-2015 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by flasepositive
It is if you hiding in big numbers. If I work in a store with a turnover of $30K per day, and I short change by a $1 a day it will never be detected and I make $7 a week. It could be detected, but it wouldn't because that's not what is being looked for. If I could now do this over the shops estate of 300 stores, I would be gaining $2100 a week but it is still hidden in such a big number that the chance of detection is minimal. Only when I get greedy and take $100 a day, (the riggie equivalent of too many quads), would I raise suspicion enough for anyone to bother looking for it. Keeping the recs money in play longer and therefore ensuring it is raked more often is the same.
In this metaphor who is supposed to be (1) the poker sites; (2) the good players; and (3) the bad "rec" players?

I figured out that "I" [you] is supposed to be the bad "rec" players, but I'm a little lost on the other two.
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