Who do you think you are answering to mate? It's not me. It's all the customers of Stars and anybody who has an interest. Don't be a sook mate and answer these questions for your millions of registered users:-

1. Has anyone ever run a site wide audit of HHs on Stars?

2. Why not?

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Josem you are sounding more and more paranoid with every post.

One doesnt even need to study poker (to realize how often that hand hits).

Look at baseball, if someone is batting .310 (31%) they are usually one of the best hitters in the league near the end of the season..

That sounds incredibly funny coming from you. And one troll +1ing another makes it hilarious.

Should probably stop playing if your account will always lose no matter what.


I doubt paranoid is really the word you mean.

So your theory is that every player who beats you works for the house?

Creative anyway.

Undersea bases don't pay for themselves you know ?

You'd better behave yourself or he'll ban this account too (Alsk?)

Don't forget to vote in the poll!

I am gonna go out on a limb and say this "666 devil rigged but just on PokerStars" troll account won't make it far on here. But at least it provided a few laughs for a short time.

LOL, look how the moron plays "laywer of the rigtards". So cute.

My guess is pokerplayer66, badbeateveryday, pocketqueens2, {toomanyothers}.

I can't be bothered to check.

A good player wouldnt likely say this. I know great poker players that will tell you that they have never played a great perfect session in their lives.

You have the mentality of a loser so you should get used to seeing similar results until you mature as a person and a player and change your horrific whining losing mindset.

Good luck.

The text on the website is perfectly clear to see. PokerSCAM uses mouse movements to determine what cards get dealt. Thus if you know how to move your mouse to get the high cards, you'll get more good hands.

Given I don't know the code, I get dealt as many premium hands as I should, since my mouse movements are random. But my opponents get more premiums than they should and this obviously drags my winrate down and inflates theirs. This is why the Russians turn up with AA when their opponent has KK so much.

Obvious troll has become so obvious that I can't even be bothered to requote again where obvious troll was going to put out his evidence for the Amaya AGM, etc.

I'll never understand why people would waste their time trolling this thread. To each their own, I suppose.

Wrong.

Plain wrong.

And stupid.

The mouse movements are mixed with the results of a very sophisticated hardware random number generator. There is no way that you or anyone else can get a particular outcome by the way you move your mouse.

Indeed, it's not even clear (and if it has been intelligently implemented it will not be the case) that your mouse movements even affect that deal at the table at which you are seated.

Left, Right, Left, Right, Y

Hmm, looks like a fairly correct substantive post .... not actually expected.

Well when I wrote that I was going to put the evidence out I didn't think the AGM would be the week after. I needed more time to get it in a presentable format.

Oh come on, just think about it. Even if the mouse movements didn't affect 'your' table, if Russian 1's mouse movements affect the hands dealt on Russian 2's table, they'll just agree to do the respective movements that allow each other to get AA. After all, they are both working for PokerSCAM.

Let's say the 'correct' movement for AA is 'move mouse 1 inch upwards'. If the 'correct' movement is done, you then have a 1/10 chance of the random number generator giving you AA.

So if you can crack the first part of the code, the random number generator, while it reduces the number of times you get dealt AA compared to if it doesnt exist at all, still allows you to get a lot more than your fair share. In this example, you'll get dealt AA 1/10 times, assuming you always move your mouse upwards.

Of course PokerSCAM tells the Russians not to do that, since getting dealt AA 1/10 times would become obvious pretty quick. Instead, they'll game the system so they get it dealt only twice as often as they should, and then do the same for KK, AK, QQ. All of a sudden they've got a huge advantage over the field and it looks like it's just 'variance'.

It's quite obvious that you should spend the next year or two experimenting with various mouse movements and recording the results in PT or HEM. Then come back in a year's time and report your findings.

Once everyone sees if you are correct, not only will you become world famous, but you'll bring the internet poker world crashing down - and earn yourself an extra $5,000 from Monteroy. (Hell, he might even offer you $20,000 to compensate for the time you've spent on proving the rig, once he reads what appears at first to be the most inane if not insane theory ever to have been espoused in this thread.)

Make sure you highlight every mouse movement that results in you or anyone at your tables receiving an AA. (If they are dealt at other tables, I can't see how you are going to prove your theory. In which case, you might as well just be satisfied that you know your theory is correct but unprovable and move on to other ventures in your life.)

Would you like me to tempban you for a year so you can concentrate on your mission and not be tempted to waste your time in the forums?

I already posted that I caught him posting under his normal 2+2 account (one that starts normal threads in the micro strategy forum for his 20NL play). I assume you mods can usually see the multiple accounts as well if he is not making the effort to hide it (which most do not).

He is just screwing around trolling and likely venting after a hard day at the 20 NL tables. That's part of the nature of this thread, and it is hard to dispute it given how many people continue to be trolled effectively by these guys. Just look at all the responses he (and other obvious trolls) get when they post. If he posted that some Russians have learned to break the code by sticking a finger up their ass while eating a whopper they still would get serious responses asking for proof. I'll pass on that evidence for now...

They should continue to post if they get these responses since that is their goal posting here. If a temp ban is threatened, be sure to suggest it will be for all his posting accounts if it is to be an effective threat.

Lets talk for a moment about mouse movements.

If you're playing on a Window PC, then PokerStars doesn't track the mouse, Windows does. PS can tell Windows to change the cursor, but Windows directly controls where the cursor is on the screen based on interpreting mouse movements coming from the hardware driver.

What Windows does next is, if the mouse is over a PokerStars window, it tells PS, "The mouse has moved over this window, it's here (x,y coordinates) now" in something known as a "MouseMove message" (Windows API documentation: WM_MOUSEMOVE). This message also tells PS if any certain are clicked. These messages transmit lots of numbers to the PS application.

Now if I were coding an RNG that required a seed, and I wanted to randomize the seed, one thing I could do would be to capture all those mousemove events, along with mouseovers, keypresses, and such, and just smash them all together (concatenate) and use those smushed numbers as my seeds. Mousemove events alone generate dozens of numbers and so you could just chunk them up into say sequences of 16 (picking a nice 2^4 number out of the air) then use that as my seed. When collecting these thousands of numbers from hundreds of players, you can further randomize the seeds by having each client send these numbers back in a constant stream, picking one digit at a time from each player by looping through all the active IP ports in sequence, so that no one player controls more than one digit of any seed, and further you can pull those digits only when you need them but continue to let the data stream, meaning you can never predict when a given players stream will have a given digit picked.

If I had to write an RNG that guaranteed unpredictability, that's how I'd go about the first part - identifying the seed. That would certainly pass any inspection possible by any independent reviewers with half a brain.

But sure, lets pretend like moving the mouse one inch at exactly 278 deg when the clock timer is at 12 will give you AA. That kind of obvious code would never be detected in an independent review.

It's clear, and Stars has explained the implementation before. Mouse movements from all currently active players go in a big entropy pool, and then that random stream gets mixed with the RNG stream and the resulting values are used to put a card on a random deck being shuffled. Each shuffled deck gets randomly assigned to the next table that calls for a deal.

His claim is impossible so many ways that it's hard to even laugh at it.

This would be quite impossible since I do not know the secret code that PokerSCAM gives the Russians. It is likely a fair bit more complex than moving the mouse upwards 1 inch, for instance. It's likely to be the sort of code that you can only realistically crack if you're told about it (i.e. move the mouse left for 0.5 inches, then upwards for 0.25 inches, then diagonally 42 degrees for 1 second). The sort of movement the average player will make every once in a while (to get dealt AA) but there's no realistic way of cracking the code (expecially as then the RNG will only give AA a certain percentage of those times anyway) unless PokerSCAM tells you what it is.

But these Russians are employed by PokerSCAM, so of course they know the code. They'll be given the code on day 1 at the tables.

This guy has some really strange schizophrenic/paranoid tendancies. Should see a doctor to discuss increasing the strength of his meds.

Guy must be heartbroken now he can't post his **** list anymore. The whole reason for his existence destroyed. Maybe he'll go back to trying to convince us all he earns 5 figures a month from poker, or will start ranting about the cost of his watch again. Must be about that time. But the only thing he's ever made from poker is playmoney chips, just check out his god awful playing record.

This shill is just trying to use complicate IT language to throw us off track. The PokerSCAM website bhowever spells it out much clearer - your mouse movements determines the cards that are dealt. Therefore it stands to reason there MUST be a specific pattern of mouse movements that results in high card hands. And if there's a specific pattern, then there's the potential for PokerSCAM to tell their employees about that pattern so they can take players money from the tables.

OK, PocketQueens2, the joke's over. Don't push it.