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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
My God, NO! Sure wouldnt want to think for yourself, and use your common sense to realize whats really going on, would you? Wouldnt want to irritate all the nice industry people in here who get a kick out of knowing about all the addicted players there are as a result of the way the software that deals the cards is programmed now would we? Of course not!!
Well actually I am more open minded then most which is why i often lean to more accurate realizations. I paid my entire way through university with online poker winnings back then it was so easy I believe I could have taught any random person within an hour or two how to make a living from poker.
I stopped during my third year of uni to concentrate on my degree and when I returned I was introduced to a rude awakening. see in the past I had made consistent profit from the tiniest amount of effort.
I found when I returned I was a losing player I lost it how could I now lose at $5 games when before it was so easy no one even tries there right?
so I was convinced it was rigged I even made a fool out of myself on another poker forum saying so I was once a riggie
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However I decided I would buy a subscription to shark scope, I regularly looked up opponents who gave me bad beats wanting to see there stats eventually i looked at mine.
I noticed something odd firstly I was not losing to the other players, I was losing to the rake if the rake had been eliminated entirely I would still be a winning player.
further I noticed certain games I had a highly positive ROI so was it only rigged for the ones I was losing at?
that's quite specific. I started playing one or two tables to sharkscope everyone at the table and searching players to find who regs were I noticed something discouraging about half the players were regs in the past it was one or two now at a 9 handed sng it was 4-5 sometimes 6-7 depending on the hour of day.
I looked at icimizer and found that in fact the shoving ranges I thought were fishy were correct and it was me making the mistakes. If it wasn't for the few fish that had no skill I would have lost a lot more.
I looked at odds Became more adapted learned some counter intuitive things and became a winning player again.
I have since that time won several thousand.
I am not close minded mankind is a selfish species there has been consistent scams in the past and very exploitative and if you look at nature we are hardly an exception we are just more sophisticated at it.
I dont think that if the poker sites were to rig the site they would do it in some blatantly transparent way as it would be spotted rather quickly.
However any way they did it could be spotted the question would be how many people are willing to actually look at stats for more complicated theories etc? well maybe not on here maybe so but someone with the right back ground and credibility would eventually spot it and point it out then the whole thing comes tumbling down.
thats quite some risk also you have all the staff members that could know and talk. However yes its always possible but where does my money come from? If I am in profit someone has to pay for that and I don't see why the sites would rig it in my favor.
in fact it does not even make sense for the sites to rig it people need to be making money for the sites to make optimal amounts under current models.
For example in the game I am targeting I noticed when the regs dont play the games hardly run, as recs dont open enough tables. get a few regs multi tabling and suddenly you have a large amount of games and rake going. its true with no regs that the sites would take more money proportionally from the recs but its also true that much less games would run so overall the sites
need grinders under the current model for optimal profit.
although they tend to be attempting to move away from this model with things like spin and goes etc. how that will pan out I can only speculate but yes they are now trying to reduce the edge increase the speed etc.
Yes when your running bad it is natural to question if there is a rig you are cursed, god is punishing you etc etc.
However there are two approaches you can take you can either, guess rant and vent get mocked get nowhere lose and never have enough proof to back your claim or you can learn the math and win.
Learn the math and you will win because 1 of two things has to happen at that point 1. you start winning understand the math and variance and become much better of for it or 2. if it is rigged now you really can provide proof get the attention of the right people with that proof and you can have vengeance on those so called corrupt sites.
now there are one or two exceptions to this (sites that will not allow you to record or save hands and will not provide you with hand histories making proofing a rig impossible) however most poker sites you can gather this data for. and win either way.
many people here state that you need to find proof to support your accusation anecdotes emotional rants wild accusations or conspiracy theories as to why it would be in a sites interest to do it are not proof.
raw data statistics and maths are.