No that isn't what it means at all. Read up on standard deviation and sample size. And realize that future expectation starting now is always 0EV (by definition) regardless of what has already happened. Cards have no memory.

His theory covers your scenario perfectly. Shouldn't you be keeping an open mind to the possibilities that you are winning there because it is rigged? From his (and other riggie) perspectives, that would be the only logical explanation to explain the results you have there given that you are a dude that cannot beat 2 NL, and you have an account less than a year old (ie: a relatively new one).

Be sure to make as much as possible before you get balanced there according to his theory, just in case it is true! Have an open mind, or else prove his theory is not true. See, you cannot!

LOL - cannot beat 2NL


All the best.

Don't be stupid. According to any variance simulator you care to find, there's a less than 0.5% chance I'm not a long term winner over on 888. I know I've got an edge over there, my poker skill is clearly much more than some 50/4 donk.

The proof that Stars is rigged comes from my graphs. On 888, it's blueline above redline. On Stars it's the opposite. Why would that be the case unless I never got dealt a hand and so ended up having to bluff more?

Dude, you are using your rigged data from 888 to calculate that. Once you get balanced, and remove your new player boomswitch your real results will start to show.

This is exactly what that person's theory says the room wants a new player like you to believe, so you will keep playing there, even when you start to get balanced. They have you believing this is the only non rigged room because they gave you a boomswitch. Pretty clever of them. Prove it wrong if you do not believe it.

All you did there was prove it is rigged for you on 888, so enjoy the rig as long as you can, but keep in mind you will be balanced eventually. You should keep an open mind to the other riggie theories about 888 and be prepared, otherwise you are being naive. You should already be looking for another room that rewards new player donks like yourself when the rig for you on 888 runs out.

Until you can prove that it is not rigged for you on 888 the logical assumption is that based on your inability to beat 2NL normally they have given you a new player rig/boomswitch. Seems like you are starting to realize it as well, we can agree on that.

Using riggie logic is actually kind of fun!

All the best.

You're been ridiculous. A rig that favours new players makes no sense. A rig that favours higher VIP status players makes total sense, as they rake more money and the poker room wants to keep them around.

There is no ****ing 'balancing' program. There's only the Pokerstars VIP rig and the Pokerstars river rig. And I hardly think 9 month old accounts are really 'new' anyway. Indeed I suspect the average online player stays active for far less time than this.

The EV line is attempting to measure the difference between your expected results and your actual results.

If there's a huge difference between what you would expect to see (assuming a random deal) and what you actually do see, then I think that absolutely would be a huge cause for concern and further investigation.

That said:
-arbitrary numbers of "1000BI" aren't particularly meaningful - beacuse if you've played billions of hands, 1000BI would be tiny... but if you've played only 10k hands, 1000BI would be huge. Instead, I'd look at standard deviations from the mean - because that inherently accounts for differing sample sizes.

-I'm sceptical of whether the EV analysis that HEM and/or PT does is accurate, I vaguely remember them having a problem with how they handled split pots. I don't know enough about the details here...

Dunno, you tell me. I assume you're just another big mouth idiot who can't handle reality.

That's what you are doing...

But you raised a thought: Why would you even brag about being up 800$ at poker?
That's a laughable amount. If you really were a crushin player the figure had to be like 80000$.

So, have fun with your massive winnings, keep trolling and have fun with it.

Maybe pm vegan, so you can share that padded cell.

You really are a moron. I posted my graphs ITT to prove I could beat 2nl, not as a 'brag'. Though it's still probably about 10x more than you've ever made from online poker.

Keep flipping the burgers. Keep taking the tablets.

No username on your graphs, so it's obvious they're not yours. You think you're the first troll to pull off something like that?

If you were crushing like you claim to do, why are you so scared to tell us your screenname? You could shut us up in a second...but we know you are probably down thousands of dollars on stars AND 888 and therefore trembling at the thought alone.

Typical whale with illusions.

Now go and steal a username from a winning player and continue your moronic game

people like you have been in this thread years ago. Know what happened? They vanished into the void where they belong and that's your fate,too

5 years from now, there still won't be any solid proof for rigging and you will be long forgotten. So enjoy your fake importance while it lasts, several new rigtards are already standing in line to replace your idiotic ramblings with other idiotic ramblings. (But thank you very much for the laughs every single one of your posts provides)

Yeah of course, the only reason I'm not providing my screename is because I'm a losing player. There's no other possible explanation, is there moron?

Plenty of twoplustwo'ers haven't revealed their online screenames. Why don't you start having a go at them too?

Anyway tommorow you're going to be sitting at the drive thru asking some guy if he wants fries with his big mac, while dreaming about been a guy who actually makes money from this game.

Keep taking the tablets.

I've revealed mine.

As MJ said, every suspected rig can be checked with hand histories. Computers can count how many aces are "supposed" to hit the board, or compare how often a flush draw hits.
There is a logical expectation for board runouts in the long run, just as there is a logical expectation for flipping coins in the long run.
i.e. If you suspected a coin was loaded, you could flip it 1 million times, and see if it landed heads up more than 1 standard deviation above 50% of the time. Common sense would say that if the coin came up heads significantly more often than half the time, it's not a fair coin.
Poker is the same. If flush draws are hitting more often than expected in the long run, the deck might not be fair.

To read more on the expectation in poker hands, see http://www.spadebidder.com/
The guy that ran that site tested millions of hand histories to see if the results (of various things like "number of paired boards" or "monotone flops") matched expectation over a large sample size.

According to an average rigtard, one or two hands is enough!
To people with more common sense and logic, it depends on which "suspicion" you're testing, but a million hands and a couple of standard deviations seems like a decent sample size for me.
Happily, the http://www.ispokerrigged.com/Is%20Po...%20Rigged.html website has checked rather more than 1 million hand histories from various sites. In tests to see if there were more "bad beats" than expected, Pokerstars passed.
It's somewhat interesting that in the sample HHs tested, pre-flop underdogs won slightly less than expected, but underdogs on the turn won slightly more than expected. This is most likely due to variance (it turns out that 1 million hands isn't really a massive sample in a game with such small edges), and I suspect that running the tests on another 1 million hands would have similar results within the expected standard deviations.

Winding like a snake, just provide your username on 888 and stars, coward.

Dunno, you tell me a reason other than the fact that you're a massive loser at poker and realize that if someone sees your huge losses you cannot claim "rigged" OR "crushing" anymore.


Well, for your rotten brain, some easy words: Plenty of other twoplustwo'ers do not claim winnings they cannot back up with proof


Fun fact: Even If i worked at McD, your problems still exist: You make absolutely no money with poker and therefore you need to cry "rigged" while unable to beat 2NL

Oh, and I binked a nice tourney yesterday (at Pokerstars , the site where you are unable to beat 2NL) , made about 5000$. Looks like your measly 800$ winnings mean nothing and I am a far better player than you. Enjoy your pocket change winnings while I enjoy spending 5000$.

So? Doesn't mean I'm obligated to reveal mine, does it? Plenty of people don't.

Why would I? Sharkscope doesn't even track 888 cash tables so providing my username would do nothing for you.

Sure, I don't want other regs reading my thought process in the strategy forums and using it against me in game.

Enjoy 'spending' your $5000 in play money chips bro.

1). How would they do that if you don't post your name?

2). I don't think you have to worry much

The whole point is that's why I'm not posting my name. Because I don't want them to use my posts on her against me on the tables ldo.

Do you know how many times we hear that too?

And always from people unwilling to post any actual evidence.

Pretty sure no one vanished into the void. Most probly just realised that arguing with you is the equivalent of trying to teach a chimp how to wipe his backside.

You do not need to worry about that. You still have a few months left with your new player boomswitch before you get balanced, so I doubt anyone reading this thread would even want to play you for that reason.

The only reason you win on 888 is because of the rig. Your poker ability has nothing to do with it. As riggies say all the time, it is basically bingo with no skill involved and if rigs did not exist to help new players/donks like you then they would be winning more.

Have you ever googled "888 is rigged" If you do you will see tons of people who have proof of the rig because they see it with their own eyes. Can they all be wrong? Prove them wrong if you disagree, Here is one of many examples of a guy who had a new player boomswithch

http://www.pokerforums.org/conspirac...gged-some.html

the problem was he won too much too fast, so he got balanced much quicker than you.

Here was his advice in that thread

"So my advice, open an account with 888, double/triple your bankroll, then take the money and go play somewhere sensible like Coral. In summary it's not a perception issue, the two sites, the frequency of power hands and river cards is so noticeably different it can only be because 888 is rigged."

He says there is a river rig on 888. You say it is on Stars and not 888. Welcome to the land of riggies. Just be happy you are winning because of the rig!

All the best.

Donkeystars, please don't let these guys get under your skin like this... Their opinions don't matter because they clearly don't understand what is obviously going on and never will... You don't need to prove anything to them... Me, you, and many others know the cards are not random on every hand... Simple as that... They demand proof, yet their "proof" doesn't disprove the many ways the cards can still be rigged... And they are so closed minded they can't understand how it's very possible that their proof doesn't truly show that the cards are not rigged...It's a stalemate argument...

I do believe you are wrong in the way you say it is rigged though, but you are partly correct... You said they never reward new players, but it actually does. The software decides to pick the winner of the hand based on how much you have won/lost compared to the other player, and how much rake you make compared to the other player...

That's why a new player sometime gets picked to win because his amount won is very very low. But the high rake players will end up getting picked to win also depending on who they are up against...

It's a complete handicap joke...

AND THIS IS WRONG AND YOU WANT ME TO PROVE IT HUH? WELL I CAN'T, AND YOU ALSO CAN'T DISPROVE IT EITHER... STALEMATE, BUT WE ARE RIGHT...

I don't think stalemate means what you think it means.

If it did, then I guess I could just post this:

Vegan, I think you kill cute kitty cats. YOU WANT ME TO PROVE IT HUH? WELL I CAN'T, AND YOU ALSO CAN'T DISPROVE IT EITHER... STALEMATE, BUT WE ARE RIGHT...

Also:

To his credit, Donkeystars is one of the few recently who has not been lured in by your fairly mundane trolling.perhaps this second try will work better than the first.

Your trolling has improved a bit which is good to see, but it still lacks a little something to make it kind of special. Keep at it and maybe it will happen, and have fun with all those poker shows you enjoy watching. Let us know if anything significant happens to a poker celebrity or something.

All the best.

such punctuation ... so expressive ...
... stream of conshesness ...
... such rigged

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I really wish I could understand the mindset of the sort of person that believes something is rigged against them to make sure they never win and continue to play it rather than stopping.

It must be pretty sad to have that kind of degen addiction that they'd rather keep losing money in a game they believe is built around cheating them and not giving them a fair chance so I guess I should say thanks to the riggies that keep coming in here and posting as they serve to remind me how bad off I can be and what warning signs to watch out for in my life that might indicate I have a problem with gambling.