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07-16-2014 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
Please learn to be a good little housewife and not speak until you are spoken to.

You have no idea what I'm saying with my response so please keep your comments to your husband and housecat.

Thanks
Well, if you take his advice you will stop looking like an idiot arguing a mathematical question without understanding the basics.

But oh well, we all know you never will.
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07-16-2014 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
6,459 posts is considered the proper minimum post count to be considered a genius.





You just added to it by 1, though that math is likely beyond you.


Seems you were treated with as much respect when you started your research many years ago. No surprise that you have not changed, grown or adapted at all in 6 years.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-bodog-293545/

I like the part where you believe the US passing laws will make all riggies go away. You obviously have not read the New Jersey site threads (more than a few riggies in it, claiming the games are rigged). Seems US laws do not banish paranoia for this industry after all.

All the best.
cute I have a stalker...I must warn you I walk around my house naked....but you probably already know that.
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07-16-2014 , 04:49 PM
That gimmick spammed that before, though he never acknowledges replies. Here was my reply to it earlier in the thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=70841

They do not indicate what software they used to track the results. If they used Holdem Manager then they can present a proper statistical study showing their filters and their results and the number of standard deviations from expected the actual results were in their case. They provided none of that.

Their categories are too vague. 7h6c vs 5d4d has 55.3% equity yet they would call it a "60/40." "Dominating 3 outer" hands they all put in the category of 70/30 even though a hand like As8c vs Ad6h will win only 56% of the time.


If their math was verifiable then they would get proper attention. It is not, though they do offer this advice

Conclusion:

PokerStars is NOT a fair site! We do not recommend that you play there

which is similar to what I have told riggies to do for a long time. They should all quit all forms of poker. If they do not want to listen to me then listen to a cut and paste quote of that dude telling them what they want to hear (he makes up for his spelling errors with screenshots)

How to quit pokerstars:
Hey guys, if you are weak to quit pokerstars, do the same what I did
Open that sht program, go to Requests - Responsible Gaming - Exclude me from playing..., tick I agree to be Self-Excluded for: 180 day self-exclution, Yeah) Immagine if everyone does the same!

Below are screenshot-instructions (clickable):


All riggies should listen to this person, a fellow riggie, and quit poker, and they should post screenshots proudly of their self exclusions to show they mean business.



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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
cute I have a stalker...I must warn you I walk around my house naked....but you probably already know that.
Actually, it was a simple search of the threads you started. Took 5 seconds. When you learn the internet better you will understand how it works, and not be so startled by what people can find with minimal information. I used the same process to search for my reply to that gimmick spam as well. Easy.

What you are as a human is meaningless to me, but you know that already. I am totally indifferent to your existence, and you will never get any emotional reaction from me regardless of how hard you try. You are disposable, and I just enjoy having fun with paranoid people, though the slower ones like you get boring quicker. Your attempts to explain math were amusing, so at least you had that going for you in terms of entertainment value as basically a pet.

Feel free to come back in 6 more years where you will be exactly the same person with the same beliefs. Nobody will care in 2020 if you are still around, just like they did not in 2014, just like they did not in 2008.

All the best.
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07-16-2014 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
That gimmick spammed that before, though he never acknowledges replies. Here was my reply to it earlier in the thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=70841

They do not indicate what software they used to track the results. If they used Holdem Manager then they can present a proper statistical study showing their filters and their results and the number of standard deviations from expected the actual results were in their case. They provided none of that.

Their categories are too vague. 7h6c vs 5d4d has 55.3% equity yet they would call it a "60/40." "Dominating 3 outer" hands they all put in the category of 70/30 even though a hand like As8c vs Ad6h will win only 56% of the time.


If their math was verifiable then they would get proper attention. It is not, though they do offer this advice

Conclusion:

PokerStars is NOT a fair site! We do not recommend that you play there

which is similar to what I have told riggies to do for a long time. They should all quit all forms of poker. If they do not want to listen to me then listen to a cut and paste quote of that dude telling them what they want to hear (he makes up for his spelling errors with screenshots)

How to quit pokerstars:
Hey guys, if you are weak to quit pokerstars, do the same what I did
Open that sht program, go to Requests - Responsible Gaming - Exclude me from playing..., tick I agree to be Self-Excluded for: 180 day self-exclution, Yeah) Immagine if everyone does the same!

Below are screenshot-instructions (clickable):


All riggies should listen to this person, a fellow riggie, and quit poker, and they should post screenshots proudly of their self exclusions to show they mean business.





Actually, it was a simple search of the threads you started. Took 5 seconds. When you learn the internet better you will understand how it works, and not be so startled by what people can find with minimal information. I used the same process to search for my reply to that gimmick spam as well. Easy.

What you are as a human is meaningless to me, but you know that already. I am totally indifferent to your existence, and you will never get any emotional reaction from me regardless of how hard you try. You are disposable, and I just enjoy having fun with paranoid people, though the slower ones like you get boring quicker. Your attempts to explain math were amusing, so at least you had that going for you in terms of entertainment value as basically a pet.

Feel free to come back in 6 more years where you will be exactly the same person with the same beliefs. Nobody will care in 2020 if you are still around, just like they did not in 2014, just like they did not in 2008.

All the best.
I know how the internet works thanks but I actually do mean something in your meaningless life as you take even 5 seconds of your life to search me. Trust me when I say, I will never look at your pathetic 6,800ish posts you made before this and the I can only imagine the pathetic number after this.

For the last time, numbers do not lie but the people who present them can.

Now I am going to go spend the rest of the night with my family. I hope each and every one of you will one day be able to do the same. Most likely though you will have to stop being douches for that.
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07-16-2014 , 05:22 PM
Your family has my sympathies, if they even exist. I got off easy with the minimal exposure/time usage with you, but that is the small price I pay at times for amusing myself with pets. Your kind lie all the time, even if you do not realize that is what you do. You will never change.

The Bodog Batch has run its course. Onto the next riggies!

All the best.
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07-16-2014 , 05:36 PM
Monty,

I cannot even read all the nonsense you babble anymore. Its complete and utter rambling with no substance whatsoever.

Also, successful people do not waste their time responding in grrrreeeeaaaatttt depth to 'riggies.' (I'm questioning myself wasting 10 mins a day responding as we speak lol) You must spend 3-4 hours a day in this thread. Comparing you responding to every poster with a differing opinion than you, is in no way comparable to thousands of people questioning somebody who just won the Big Drop for $15 million. But you will now debate that they are comparable in great length.

Debate on Monty, debate on...
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07-16-2014 , 06:45 PM
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07-16-2014 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Doubleup28
Monty,

I cannot even read all the nonsense you babble anymore. Its complete and utter rambling with no substance whatsoever.
I have had my fun with the Bodog pets, and I agree that we are reaching the end point of the debate. That is why I chuckled when you suggested you would keep at it for a long time, just like others before you claimed.


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Originally Posted by Doubleup28
Also, successful people do not waste their time responding in grrrreeeeaaaatttt depth to 'riggies.' (I'm questioning myself wasting 10 mins a day responding as we speak lol) You must spend 3-4 hours a day in this thread. Comparing you responding to every poster with a differing opinion than you, is in no way comparable to thousands of people questioning somebody who just won the Big Drop for $15 million. But you will now debate that they are comparable in great length.

I derive a good amount of income from this industry, which is the online gaming industry, so the fact I spend some time on one of the main forums for this industry is standard. Others, including some very successful people in this industry, spend a lot of time in BBV or talking about TV shows in OOT, and some spend a lot of time in NVG chatting about poker celebrities.

I get why you and many others before you use the "why are you spending time here" angle out of frustration, but it simply is not a valid one. I work hard, considerably harder than you, and a fun way for me to relax is to have a bit of fun with paranoid people with attitude, just like you. Hey, it is fun putting you in your place, which based on you recent posts you have finally accepted.

I openly grant that is not an ideal relax time usage for everyone, but that is what makes humanity interesting, we are all different. Some like following dozens of pros on twitter, some like talking about Breaking Bad (which I have yet to watch). I like tweaking paranoid people, or people who think they are more clever than they really are, like you. Once in a while your kind impresses me, and when that happens I am the first to applaud it. You did not.


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Originally Posted by Doubleup28
Debate on Monty, debate on...
These debates all have a shelf life, and the one with you and the other Bodog crew are pretty much expired. Not much left to say. At this point you and others may post some more personal attacks for closure and that is fine. You may appear again in the distant future (though I will not remember you) and that too is fine. Hopefully the next batch of riggies that replace you guys will generate a bit more creativity among them, but only time will tell. I do applaud you for your effort, I can see you did try your best and that is admirable. Some of the other Bodog riggies just mailed in their whiny anger.

All the best.
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07-16-2014 , 07:25 PM
Monteroy.... are you a virgin?

There's hints of social awkwardness in your posts and the fact that you find this geeky sub-forum amusing. Cheer up guy.... tomorrow's always a new day.

Keep at it though.... I admire your (compulsive) efforts.

all the best.
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07-16-2014 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
I was told that not only is that impossible but everyone would notice such an increase.
Actually, I don't believe you were told either of those things.

Quote:
Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
Please learn to be a good little housewife and not speak until you are spoken to.

You have no idea what I'm saying with my response so please keep your comments to your husband and housecat.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
oh yeah another 8,000 post poster. He must be smart he's made 8,309 posts since July 2008.

Out of the 8,309 posts you have made, how many times have someone actually asked for your specific advice?
Why do you bother posting in a thread on an Internet forum if you don't want to hear anyone's opinions?

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Originally Posted by JohnnyApp
1,360,000 hands.<snip>
I have no idea why you're reposting the exact same cut-and-paste, but aside from being annoying, it's also copyright infringement and needs to stop.
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07-16-2014 , 08:10 PM
Monty,

You're like the ex-girlfriend that makes up all these fake situations in their head about what they perceive is actually going on. Your psychoanalysis is very odd and you're again the girl in high school seeking attention. Congratulations on being more successful than everyone esle in a 'riggie' thread. Again, those who brag about their successes, are more than likely not.
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07-16-2014 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
oh yeah another 8,000 post poster. He must be smart he's made 8,309 posts since July 2008.

Out of the 8,309 posts you have made, how many times have someone actually asked for your specific advice?
man i read all your posts and you rly have my support on everything you say in this thread or the other ones.

I ALSO REALLY BELIEVE THAT ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED I WAS JUST SEARCHING FOR PPL TO VERIFY THAT FOR ME !!!!!

THOSE WHO MAKE MONEY ONLINE ARE A BUNCH OF LUCKBOXES FOR LIFE.

EVEN ****ING 95% - 5% SITUATIONS ARE LIKE 50-50 TRUST ME


best regards, from now on your riggie friend.
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07-16-2014 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
Out of the 8,309 posts you have made, how many times have someone actually asked for your specific advice?
Who cares? Most of my posts aren't advice at all, you silly dildo.

Last edited by otatop; 07-16-2014 at 08:35 PM. Reason: for example...
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07-16-2014 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Actually, I don't believe you were told either of those things.

Josem said
Changing something by 0.25% would be detectable in a sufficiently large sample.

It shows that, apart from the flops with pairs, every pattern appeared within 0.001% (ie, one-thousandth of one percent).

If there was a bias of 0.25%, that would be a clear outlier.




Why do you bother posting in a thread on an Internet forum if you don't want to hear anyone's opinions?

I didn't say I wouldn't hear anyone's opinions but it's funny that you don't speak against the ones who don't want to hear or respect anyone else's opinion that differs from theirs
I hate to rehash what I already said but all I said was:
1. a software like Bovada that has anon player id's could be manipulated and it would be hard to prove otherwise.

2. I used a coin flip as an example and explained moving a percentage 0.25% would not seem like a lot but it could be the difference in your personal outcome.

3. I said that even if you had the entire hand history and analyzed it that wouldn't be enough unless you had every player id and tracked each playing level.

4. After being told I didn't understand math, I was given a formula to calculate the probability of a coin toss outcome over 50,000 flips and was told to use 49.6 to 50.4% as an acceptable ratio. Ironically my example of .25 falls between that ratio yet I'm the idiot.
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07-16-2014 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
I hate to rehash what I already said but all I said was:
1. a software like Bovada that has anon player id's could be manipulated and it would be hard to prove otherwise.

2. I used a coin flip as an example and explained moving a percentage 0.25% would not seem like a lot but it could be the difference in your personal outcome.

3. I said that even if you had the entire hand history and analyzed it that wouldn't be enough unless you had every player id and tracked each playing level.

4. After being told I didn't understand math, I was given a formula to calculate the probability of a coin toss outcome over 50,000 flips and was told to use 49.6 to 50.4% as an acceptable ratio. Ironically my example of .25 falls between that ratio yet I'm the idiot.
my hero!
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07-16-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
4. After being told I didn't understand math, I was given a formula to calculate the probability of a coin toss outcome over 50,000 flips and was told to use 49.6 to 50.4% as an acceptable ratio. Ironically my example of .25 falls between that ratio yet I'm the idiot.
That was to show the power of sample size, since it compared the odds of a 5,000 sample size to a 50,000 sample size for the specific coin flip example with the same ratio of heads/tails taking place. It never had anything to do with your 0.25% thing, as it was linked to this post of yours

Quote:
Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
But if after 5,000 flips it's 2,600 heads to 2,400 tails people would make it seem like unless the next 5,000 went the opposite way them there is something wrong with the coin flipping.
where I replied with

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
Actually, if in several 5,000 sample sizes in a row you found 2,600 going one way or the other that would be fairly strong evidence that it is not random. Math does not work on gut feelings.

If you want to know what the odds are of this happening you can use this site

http://calculator.tutorvista.com/coi...alculator.html

and see the odds of it are 1 in 4,840.

If you increase the sample size from 5,000 to 50,000 yet keep the same ratio of heads or tails (in this case 26,000 heads) then the odds of that happening are 1 in 66,000,000,000,000,000,000 more or less. The power of math...

You then yammered on about the small odds of exactly 25,000 heads happening in 50,000 tosses as if that mattered, which showed you had no idea about how the math worked.

Your 0.25% thing was never a part of that specific conversation, no matter how you try to rewrite history. If you really wanted it to be then you should not have chosen 2,600 heads out of 5,000 in the first place.

You can use that simple calculator for whatever ratio you like, so if that is 0.25% deviation then that is fine. You will always believe the sites are rigged against you no matter what you find, which is perfectly fine with me. Amusing that you continue with this for years with that mental block.

Thanks for the chat, you were at times a bit amusing in a very simplistic crude way, especially how you do not understand math or follow conversation topics (that you start) that well. Your personal attacks were sub-standard in general quality, but you zested them up with real emotion which counts for something. You are limited by being you, but ironically that is not entirely your fault.

All the best.
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07-16-2014 , 09:57 PM
The ever so predictable Monty attacking 'riggies' to make himself feel better ladies and gentlemen.

Last edited by Doubleup28; 07-16-2014 at 09:57 PM. Reason: #getalife
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07-16-2014 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
Josem said
Changing something by 0.25% would be detectable in a sufficiently large sample.
Right - the key words being "sufficiently large".

Quote:
Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
I didn't say I wouldn't hear anyone's opinions but it's funny that you don't speak against the ones who don't want to hear or respect anyone else's opinion that differs from theirs
I'm not sure what's funny about it. You posted something, someone else responded, and you seemed to be pretty irate about it. I thought that was odd, and commented on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
2. I used a coin flip as an example and explained moving a percentage 0.25% would not seem like a lot but it could be the difference in your personal outcome.

4. After being told I didn't understand math, I was given a formula to calculate the probability of a coin toss outcome over 50,000 flips and was told to use 49.6 to 50.4% as an acceptable ratio. Ironically my example of .25 falls between that ratio yet I'm the idiot.
What you seem to be missing is the sample size. Being out .25% on 2,000 coin flips would not be an exceptional event. Being out .25% on 2,000,000 coin flips would be.
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07-16-2014 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Doubleup28
The ever so predictable Monty attacking 'riggies' to make himself feel better ladies and gentlemen.
He deserved a farewell post just as you did, since you both put in your efforts, but after this post I am finished with both of you, and will wait for the next batch of riggies in a week to a month, which is generally the time between herds. Hopefully the next batch will have more creativity.

You are onto your new job of following my posts which was anticipated, and enjoy that for as long as you like. Perhaps you will last longer than others pets who tried doing that in the past. Have fun with the daily Bodog grind this week, and be watchful that to whether they are rigging the games against you.

All the average best.

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07-16-2014 , 10:22 PM
Lets not kid ourselves Monty, riggie threads are your cocaine. You're gonna feel terrible if you can't get your fix.


Matter of time.
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07-16-2014 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Right - the key words being "sufficiently large".


I'm not sure what's funny about it. You posted something, someone else responded, and you seemed to be pretty irate about it. I thought that was odd, and commented on it.


What you seem to be missing is the sample size. Being out .25% on 2,000 coin flips would not be an exceptional event. Being out .25% on 2,000,000 coin flips would be.
Bobo if you felt I became irate over a discussion with something you said I will apology. My responses were not meant to be taken that way. However we others question my intelligence I will not apologize for playing their game. My response to your original response was how could your software indicate if their were a specific bias towards certain players if all players are anon to everyone but the poker site?

Monteroy was the one that started the let's list our resume and talk down to everyone else. Hey if he needs do that to sleep at night that's fine with me. I enjoy the banter but when I do it, it's all in good fun.

Anyways good luck to all out there
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07-16-2014 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by searching 4 truth
My response to your original response was how could your software indicate if their were a specific bias towards certain players if all players are anon to everyone but the poker site?
Because they cant alter the card distribution for a group of players without it affecting others.

Honestly dude, your name is searching for truth but since you came here you have been ignoring every truth that doesnt fit the conspiracy theory youve created in your own head.

Your gut feeling is meaningless. People have gut feelings that Bigfoot lives in their back yard and that aliens are flying over their house at night. Rational thinking people dismiss those feelings as irrelevant and require proof before they believe things.

Id suggest you quit poker because your mindset is flawed and a huge liability in regards to being successful at the game. If you do choose to continue playing then Id strongly suggest that you forget the silliness and learn the reality that you and you alone are responsible for your results in a skill based game.

Good luck.
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07-16-2014 , 11:49 PM
The HALF(yes half... half Man half GOD in his own mind) MONTY SAID>>>
I like tweaking paranoid people, or people who think they are more clever than they really are, like you.

What you really mean is LIKE YOU don't you?

Once in a while your kind impresses me, and when that happens I am the first to applaud it. You did not.

You think you are that important?



These debates all have a shelf life, and the one with you and the other Bodog crew are pretty much expired.

It's called bovada now


Not much left to say.
SWEAR?

Do you get paid 10 cents a post?
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07-17-2014 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You are limited by being you, but ironically that is not entirely your fault.

All the best.
Holy crap that's gold!
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07-17-2014 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegan
HI GUYS... STILL RIGGED?
Yup, definitely still rigged against people who cannot play poker well.

TBH, I can't see that changing any time soon. (Or ever, )
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